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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 08:41

Ik doelde uit link boven op deze uitspraak al zeker

Brian Josephson: Let me make the point, that there is actually a difference between a conjuring show and a scientific experiment. Now if James Randi is so certain that it can all be done by conjuring, I think the challenge is now up to him, to go along to a scientific laboratory where this is being investigated and get perfect results in telepathy, instead of about 20% better than you'd expect by chance.
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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 08:55

willem_betz schreef:
Guido Leenders schreef: Ultimatums stellen? Not very intelligent, aint it? :(

Je ergeren is toegestaan maar niet verplicht. En dat geldt voor beide kampen. Of is het een kwestie van 'winnen of verliezen'? Een wedstrijd als het ware. Kom nou, van intelligente mensen had ik toch beter verwacht. En wat maakt een verwijt nu uit als het onterecht is? Niks toch! :roll:

Als je op dit forum wil meedoen dan moet je de regels respecteren.
http://forum.skepp.be/viewtopic.php?p=1162#1162
We hebben hier een zeer hoge tolerantie voor het verkondigen van ongerijmde beweringen, maar als iemand na herhaald vragen nog steeds niet met enig bewijs afkomt, en telkens dezelfde nonsens blijft plaatsen zonder enige onderbouw of geldige argumentatie, dan is het forum-vervuiling of trollen.
Wie gewoon wat wil chatten kan beter elders gaan.


Met deze stellingen ben ik het volkomen eens, probeer ze consequent toe te passen, en vraag hetzelfde en retour ...
viewtopic.php?p=1162#1162

Van jou Betz zou het interessant zijn eens te horen of je enig idee hebt waarom chronische vermoeidheid zo dikwijls gerelateerd is aan schildkleir malfuncties , te trage schildklier zeg maar , en wat je idee is over het solitron model rond het functioneren van het zenuwstelsel, en waarom leven hoe dan ook wel echt een voorkeur heeft vcoor één richting van dna , suikers en eiwitten die zeer onwaarschijnlijk toevallig is zoals sommigen hier blijven beweren, want z dna valt uit elkaar , de andere juiste kant vind men ook in de kosmos in overmaat , en glucose is veel fundamenteler in leven dan bv fructose , alleen al dat ze geen insuline nodig heeft , voila , das interessanter dan kankeren op mensen .....en GEZONDER ook . :wink:

en ps, ik antwoorde netjes op je argument van wat een golf is , en toonde precies wat ik bedoelde met dat cellen wireless , met radiogolven communiceren, en dat dat per defintie intereferentie verschijnselijk met zich mee brengt, die soms onwenselijk zijn indien het gaat over kleine computeronderdelen, maar soms net de bedoeling, quantumcomputing en wat men ziet met koostof electronica ....of gewoon bioelectronica ...dat was een net argument , ik wacht op een reactie , nog steeds , thank s
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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 09:43

Dat het per definietie onzin is , is echt geen eenduidig uitgemaakte zaak , ik geloof hier toch objectief te zijn in hoe ik me uitdruk .....

http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/sta ... l#schwartz
From Stephan A. Schwartz:
One does so wish, when reading a supposedly authoritative newspaper such as yours, that the reporter had made at least a token pass at doing his homework. I refer here to "Royal Mail's Nobel guru in telepathy row" by science editor Robin McKie, (Observer Sunday September 30, 2001).
Mr. McKie's article would lead one to think that when Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson proposed that telepathy and related phenomena were worthy of proper scientific study, and that quantum physics might shed light on these matters, he was espousing some harebrained position rejected by the whole of science. That, to use one of the quotes Mr. McKie thought representative, he had come "unstuck." A survey by Christopher Evans, which was published in 1973, asked readers of the respected British publication New Scientist to state their feelings about what was called Extra Sensory Perception. Fifteen hundred readers responded. The readership profile provided by the New Scientist, defined its readers as being mainstream working scientists, or those science oriented. Of the 1500 readers, 67 per cent considered ESP to be an established fact or, at the least, a strong probability. Eighty-eight percent of the 1500 considered psychic research to be a legitimate area for scientific inquiry.
In the late 80s, the United States' Congress asked nationally recognized mathematician and statistician Professor Jessica Utts of the University of California - Davis to assess the reality of the psychic in research the U.S. government had funded. In her 1995 report, she concluded:
"Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established. The statistical results of the studies examined are far beyond what is expected by chance. Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of similar magnitude ... have been replicated at a number of laboratories across the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud.

"The magnitude of psychic functioning exhibited appears to be in the range between what social scientists call a small and medium effect. That means that it is reliable enough to be replicated in properly conducted experiments, with sufficient trials to achieve the long-run statistical results needed for replicability."
Mr. McKie had no trouble finding all the deprecating quotes he used, one wonders why he seemed unable to find anything positive to say that would have provided objective balance and a more honest representation of what is actually going on in this field. It couldn't be hidden bias, I am sure.
Stephan A. Schwartz
Author and Research Associate
Cognitive Sciences Laboratory
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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 09:48

From Professor Bernard Carr:

Professor Brian Josephson came in for considerable criticism in your last issue ("Royal Mail's Nobel guru in telepathy row", September 30th) and I would like to say a word in his defence. It does not surprise me that many physicists are antagonistic towards attempts to link quantum theory to telepathy. Physicists have long between uncomfortable with attempts to incorporate even normal aspects of mind (let alone paranormal ones) into physics. However, this attitude is not universal and other physicists are equally uncomfortable with attempts to formulate a "Theory of Everything" without any reference to one of the most basic features of the Universe - the existence of consciousness. It is not inconceivable that some future paradigm of physics will make such a link but, until one has such a theory, one cannot decide whether it will be able to accommodate phenomena like ESP.

The existence of such phenomena is of course controversial but I must take issue with David Deutsch's brash dismissal of Josephson's claims as "utter rubbish". While I have tremendous respect for Deutsch as a theoretical physicist, his dogmatic assertion that "telepathy does not exist" and that "the evidence for its existence is appalling" makes me wonder to what extent he has studied the evidence or indeed read much about the subject at all. I would not criticize him for not studying the evidence - there is not time to study everything and everybody must be selective in which avenues of research they choose to pursue - but he should not make pronouncements unless he has. On the other hand, in comparing ESP with bridge-building and medicine, he makes a very cogent point. For until ESP can be exploited in some technologically reliable way - and even its proponents would accede that this is not yet the case - its study will probably always be viewed with suspicion.

What David Deutsch and other physicists may not realize is the striking extent to which parapsychology has attained academic acceptability in the last few decades. About 50 people in the UK alone have now obtained a PhD in parapsychology, 15 of whom have gone on to obtain permanent academic positions in university departments, where they give lecture courses and continue to pursue their research in the subject. There are currently 8 such departments in the UK. To a large extent this is due to the pioneering efforts of Robert Morris, who as Koestler Professor at Edinburgh University, has supervized many of the first PhDs. The cautious approach to the subject which characterizes his school has won the subject new-found respect, as emphasized by the fact that he recently served as President of the Psychology Section of the British Association.

Admittedly this new-found respectability is currently confined to Psychology Departments and does not extend to the physics community. This is unfortunate because, if the phenomena studied by parapsychology are real, they must involve some interaction with the physical world, so the subject will probably never be taken seriously unless it can be given some acceptable physical basis. I have my doubts as to whether quantum theory alone will provide this but it is at least legitimate to speculate on the matter. Even if one regards the probability of ESP being real as small, its significance if established would be so immense that it is surely worth investing some effort into studying it.

Yours Sincerely


Bernard Carr
Professor of Mathematics & Astronomy,
Queen Mary, University of London




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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 11:13

verder hier vrij in detail alle resultaten met cijfers en zo rond verschillende experimenten van remote vieuwing door de cia en allerhande MILITAIRE AANVERWANTE ZAKEN

Het fameuze stargate project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

http://psiland.free.fr/dossiers/parapsy ... remote.pdf
A Evaluation of Remote Viewing: Research and Applications prepared by The American Institutes for Research 29 September 1995

Dan over signals intelligence , een aanverwant een heel dikwijls genoemd departement verantwoordelijk voor allerlei mind observation manipulation activiteiten , overlappende mensen uit stargate signals intelligence klinkt al een heel stuk minder "paranormaal"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McMoneagle
Joseph McMoneagle (born January 10, 1946, in Miami, Florida) is known for his involvement in the development of Remote Viewing (RV) by U.S. Army Intelligence and the Stanford Research Institute. He was one of the original officers recruited for the top-secret army program now known as the Stargate Project.Along with Ingo Swann he has become one of the most important figures connected to the development of Remote Viewing and the use of claimed paranormal abilities for military intelligence gathering. At his retirement McMoneagle earned his Legion of Merit for his last 10 years of service, including 5 years of work in SIGINT, SIGnals INTelligence, and 5 years in the RV program.[4][5][6] [7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGINT
EEN HELE HOOP GEDETAILLEERDE INFO
Signals intelligence (often contracted to SIGINT) is intelligence-gathering by interception of signals, whether between people (i.e., COMINT or communications intelligence) or between machines (i.e., ELINT or electronic intelligence), or mixtures of the two. As sensitive information is often encrypted, signals intelligence often involves the use of cryptanalysis. However, traffic analysis—the study of who is signalling whom and in what quantity—can often produce valuable information, even when the messages themselves cannot be decrypted. See SIGINT by Alliances, Nations and Industries for the organization of SIGINT activities, and SIGINT Operational Platforms by Nation for current collection systems, and SIGINT in Modern History from World War I to the present.
As a means of collecting intelligence, signals intelligence is a subset of intelligence collection management, which, in turn, is a subset of intelligence cycle management.
Intercepting written but encrypted communications, and extracting information, probably did not wait long after the development of writing. A simple encryption system, for example, is the Caesar cipher. Electronic interception appeared as early as 1900, during the Boer War. The Boers had captured some British radios, and, since the British were the only people transmitting at the time, had signals rather obvious to intercept.[1]



MEER ALGEMENE PARAPSYCHOASTRO STUDIE


Kort iets over Establishment of the Parapsychological Association
Under the direction of anthropologist Margaret Mead, the Parapsychological Association took a large step in advancing the field of parapsychology in 1969 when it became affiliated with the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the largest general scientific society in the world.[28] In 1979, physicist John A. Wheeler argued that parapsychology is pseudoscientific, and that the affiliation of the PA to the AAAS needed to be reconsidered.[29] His challenge to parapsychology's AAAS affiliation was unsuccessful.[29] Today, the PA consists of about three hundred full, associate, and affiliated members worldwide and maintains its affiliation with the AAAS.[30] The annual AAAS convention provides a forum where parapsychologists can present their research to scientists from other fields and advance parapsychology in the context of the AAAS's lobbying on national science policy.[30]
Decade of increased research (1970s)
During this period, academics outside parapsychology also appeared to have a general optimism towards this research. In 1979, a survey of more than 1,100 college professors in the United States found that only 2% of psychologists expressed the belief that extrasensory perception was an impossibility. A far greater number, 34%, indicated that they believed ESP was either an established fact or a likely possibility. The percentage was even higher in other areas of study: 55% of natural scientists, 66% of social scientists (excluding psychologists), and 77% of academics in the arts, humanities, and education.[31]The surge in paranormal research continued throughout the 1970s and into the 1980s. By the end of the 1980s, the Parapsychological Association reported members working in more than 30 countries. Additionally, research not affiliated with the PA was being carried out in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.[20]
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Berichtdoor alice » 09 apr 2009, 11:21

Bon is het nu niet echt redelijk om te stellen dat het al dan niet bestaan van "paranormale" fenomenen , of hoe ze wel of niet werken, minstenst als een niet uitgemaakte zaak voor te stellen ?
Mij lijkt van wel, en evengoed is het onmogelijk te stellen dat alleen de gemiddeld naieve clown over deze zaken ernstig nadenkt , een BEETJE objectiviteit ipv "geloof" , is hier op zijn plaats :wink: , trouwens
HET ONDERWERP SYNCHRONICITEITEN TYPISCH IETS DAT PAULI MET HAND EN TAND MEE HEEFT VERDEDIGD , (maar das voor later zunne )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Pauli

Pauli was instrumental in the development of the modern theory of quantum mechanics. In particular, he formulated the exclusion principle and the theory of nonrelativistic spin.

At the beginning of 1931, shortly after his divorce and immediately following his postulation of the neutrino, Pauli had a severe breakdown. He consulted the psychiatrist and psychotherapist Carl Jung who, like Pauli, lived near Zürich. Jung immediately began interpreting Pauli's deeply archetypal dreams,[2] and Pauli became one of the depth psychologist’s best students. Soon, he began to criticize the epistemology of Jung’s theory scientifically, and this contributed to a certain clarification of the latter’s thoughts, especially about the concept of synchronicity. A great deal of these discussions is documented in the Pauli/Jung letters, today published as Atom and Archetype. Jung's elaborate analysis of more than 400 of Pauli's dreams is documented in Psychology and Alchemy.

In 1945, he received the Nobel Prize in Physics for his "decisive contribution through his discovery in 1925 of a new law of Nature, the exclusion principle or Pauli principle." He was nominated for the prize by Albert Einstein.

In 1958, Pauli was awarded the Max Planck medal. In that same year, he fell ill with pancreatic cancer. When his last assistant, Charles Enz, visited him at the Rotkreuz hospital in Zürich, Pauli asked him: Did you see the room number? It was number 137. Throughout his life, Pauli had been preoccupied with the question of why the fine structure constant, a dimensionless fundamental constant, has a value nearly equal to 1/137. Pauli died in that room on 15 December 1958.
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Berichtdoor Geen » 09 apr 2009, 11:47

Zeg Alice, kun je hier geen link plaatsen naar je eigen website? Dan hoef je dat hier allemaal niet in te typen.
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Berichtdoor marcdep » 09 apr 2009, 11:51

Alice,
Zeer opzienbarend wat betreft het kamernummer,nl 137.
Het zou echter meer opzienbarender geweest zijn als hij in kamer 137,35 had gelegen.

Ik gaf gisteren een rekening aan een patient met een kaal en rond hoofd en ik moest hem 3,14 euro teruggeven.
Meteen dacht ik aan pi.

Ik woon in huisnummer 76 en binnen twintig jaar word ik 76.

Mijn vriend is net als ik geboren in 1952 en beiden hebben we 2 kinderen die samen 52 jaar oud zijn.

Een jonge man is gehuwd op 07.07.2007 en zijn vrouw op dezelfde datum!

Dat is toch abnormaal als men dit als louter toeval zou beschouwen.
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Berichtdoor marcdep » 09 apr 2009, 11:52

Geen schreef:Zeg Alice, kun je hier geen link plaatsen naar je eigen website? Dan hoef je dat hier allemaal niet in te typen.


Neen zeker niet, anders heb je er een volle dagtaak mee om alles dagelijks te lezen.
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Berichtdoor Mars » 09 apr 2009, 13:03

marcdep schreef:Neen zeker niet, anders heb je er een volle dagtaak mee om alles dagelijks te lezen.


Dat moet ik/je (?) nu al door de bold, italic, underlined en schreeuwige stukken tekst. Een fatsoenlijk opmaak is er niet meer bij...
P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute". Stel jezelf de vraag: Ben ik er eentje van?
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Berichtdoor willem_betz » 09 apr 2009, 13:07

Alice kreeg al meerdere waarschuwingen om met die overvloed van dat irritante copy-pasten te stoppen. Ik vroeg haar vriendelijk haar aantal posts te beperken. Ze wil niet luisteren en doet aan forumbevuiling. Ze vliegt er uit.
Geloof je alle nonsens, of sommige niet? Hoe maak je het onderscheid?
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