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Berichtdoor alice » 11 okt 2008, 17:57

Piet5 schreef:Om een sensitieve betrekkingswaan in relatie tot de CIA en ufo's, waarover je schrijft dat er sprake is van 'camouflage,' als 'logisch' te formuleren is geen hulp voor iemand, die zich in zijn kamer opsluit en de ruiten doet sneuvelen om zo die ufonauten bij zich vandaan te houden.


het is MANIPULATIE het moet er zo uitzien , HET IS EXTREEM GOED GEDAAN !

LEG UIT HOE DE RESULTATEN VAN SURVEY VRAAG 13 KUNNEN ZIJN WAT ZE ZIJN?
DE UPDATE IN LINK 105 RESPONDENTEN
http://sites.google.com/site/remotemani ... ltsupdates

ZUIVER STATISTISCH
het is onmogelijk indien dit specifiek patroon zich herhaalt, bij tweede steek proef , andere respondenten, ander continent bv , ONMOGELIJK DAT HET OM TOEVAL OF INBEEDING GAAT
SNAPT GE DAT ?


de verhouding tussen VOOR de electrical sensations en NA de electrical sensations is 59.52% tegen 9.52% DIE VERHOUDING ZAL ALTIJD GELIJK BLIJVEN :idea: :?:
LEG UIT HOE DAT ALS HET INBEELDING IS ???

ge moet de resultaten niet aan passen aan uw "geloof" (of ongeloof in dit geval = pûur logische opmerking ) maar inzien dat feiten tegen spreken wat ge gelooft , mensen passen helaas per definie zo lang mogelijk de feiten aan , serieus he ?
UIT deze vraag (ge _ update)
13.
IN CASE YOU DO experience organized stalking did it start for you :
Before becoming aware of the Electronic Sensations.: 59.52%
At the same moment as the electronic senstations: 22.62%
After the electronic sensations: 9.52%
I never experienced any electronic sensations that I know: 8.33%
Total Responded to this question: 84 80%
Total who skipped this question: 21 20%
Total: 105 100%
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Berichtdoor Piet5 » 11 okt 2008, 18:18

Wat een enquetering. Per land of regio reageert zo'n 1 % van de geënqueteerden, dan worden die percentages opgeteld en komt er een formidabel percentage uit voor de wereldbevolking.
Het is net zoiets als dat 1 % van de bevolking in een provincie gestoord is en opgeteld wordt dat dan 12 % in Nederland + evenzovele procenten in 8 landen in Europa, dat wordt 8 X 12 = 96 % lijders aan een sensitieve betrekkingswaan t.g.v. de CIA en ufo's.
Dat is "zuiver statistisch?"
Zo'n publicist hoort opgepakt te worden wegens internetfraude en inductie van waanzinnigheid bij daarvoor gevoelige personen.
Meldt hem/haar maar aan bij professor Kahn in Utrecht.
Wees wijs op je levensreis
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Berichtdoor alice » 12 okt 2008, 10:59

Piet5 schreef:Wat een enquetering. Per land of regio reageert zo'n 1 % van de geënqueteerden, dan worden die percentages opgeteld en komt er een formidabel percentage uit voor de wereldbevolking.
Het is net zoiets als dat 1 % van de bevolking in een provincie gestoord is en opgeteld wordt dat dan 12 % in Nederland + evenzovele procenten in 8 landen in Europa, dat wordt 8 X 12 = 96 % lijders aan een sensitieve betrekkingswaan t.g.v. de CIA en ufo's.
Dat is "zuiver statistisch?"
Zo'n publicist hoort opgepakt te worden wegens internetfraude en inductie van waanzinnigheid bij daarvoor gevoelige personen.
Meldt hem/haar maar aan bij professor Kahn in Utrecht.


ten eerste slaat die statiItische uitleg niet op veel , het gaat over een verhouding van twee gegevens in een steekproef , ten tweede zijt ge zeker van alles zodat ge u niets afvraagt en das altijd FOUT, per definitie !
Ik wil van iedereen dat die gaat nadenken, en dringend , het gaat hier niet over mij ....

ik zal het uitleggen , het het geheel bijeen , maar goed luisteren en niet "jump to conclusions zoals hierboven,"

lees aandachtig dit artikel , dit is heel belangrijk als FENOMEEN

ik was om te huilen , wat een CHOAS , kijk , het gaat niet om of alles waar of niet waar is MAAR OM HALFWAARHEDEN en probeer nu een JUIST TE VERSTAAN WAT IK WIL ZEGGEN JA ?

HOU HIER BIJ GOED IN HET ACHTERHOOFD DAT TARGETED INDIVIDUALS KLAGEN OVER 3 DINGEN
1 GEHACKTE ELECTRONICA
2 ORGANIZED STALKING
3 DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS
ZOEK NU HET VERBAND !!! HET ARTIKEL ZIT VOL HALF WAARHEDEN EN GEBRUIK UW VERSTAND

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/targeting ... ent-212121
Targeting of U.S. Citizens by Gov't Agencies: Root Cause of Wall Street Financial Crisis?by Scrivener | September 16, 2008 at 06:52 pm | 4546 views | 46 comments
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Could government "targeting" of American citizens outside the bounds of the judicial system be one of the root causes of the Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy?Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that federal and local government agencies involved in intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection have established a network of secret programs aimed at destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals -- who are denied due process of law as their financial resources are systematically expropriated.
These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts.
Victims of this alleged "extra-judicial targeting" report being inundated with offers of "easy credit" from banks, mortgage companies and credit card issuers -- even if their financial situation does not warrant the extension of generous lines of credit.
In effect, victims say, a secret parallel system of transaction processing has been established for persons targeted by government agencies. They allege that the goal is to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families.
Victims theorize that these "programs of personal destruction" are a derivative of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and Total Information Awareness. They maintain that the enactment of sweeping laws such as the USA Patriot Act, passed by Congress in the wake of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, has emboldened those who would use the powers of the state to restrict civil liberties as a tool of social control.
These "mechanics of personal destruction," victims say, closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany in its campaign against the Jews and other targeted groups, such as those deemed to be political "dissenters."
Victims charge that these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health, with health care professionals sometimes pressured to cooperate. Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted by these government programs, victims charge. These civilian vigilantes, with retired military and public safety officers among their ranks, are believed to be equipped with high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting "directed energy" weapons capable of causing serious adverse health effects -- what some describe as a "slow genocide."
Officials in the private sector are believed to have knowledge of some of these programs, since their cooperation is key to the functioning of the system. Victims charge that the government is using national security and the "war on terror" as a pretext to secure the cooperation of corporations and businesses. But they say it's also possible that the civilian overseers of these agencies, as well as civilian operatives, have been kept in the dark about the most nefarious aspects of these programs.
It's feared that the government takeover of more than half of the nation's mortgage market, and government bailouts and supervision of failed and financially troubled investment houses and insurers such as Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Bros. and AIG could facilitate the extra-judicial targeting of personal and business assets.
Those who say they have been victimized by these programs are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power carried out under the direction of government agencies -- what they see as an unraveling of the American constitutional democracy and a descent into a corporate-fascist police state.

VOOR GE BEGINT TE POSTEN WAT EEN ONZIN / JA HET IS HALF ONZIN NU PAS KOMT DE KAT OP DE KOORD ! DE SURVEY WAAR IK 1 STEEKPROEF VAN 100 POSTTE IS DE GROEP WAAR HET OA HIER OVER GAAT EN DE SCHAAL ENORM EN INTERNATIONAAL

MOEST GE DAARAAN TWIJFELEN HIER ARTIKEL EROVER
Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01399.html
Until recently, people who believe the government is beaming voices into their heads would have added social isolation to their catalogue of woes. But now, many have discovered hundreds, possibly thousands, of others just like them all over the world. Web sites dedicated to electronic harassment and gang stalking have popped up in India, China, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom, Russia and elsewhere.

HET BEGINT MET DE 3 ELEMENTEN DIE GENOEMD WORDEN EN OM DE VERBANDEN TE ZIEN MOET GE UW VERSTAND ER ECHT BIJ HOUDEN , DAN DIEP NADENKEN MINSTENS EEN UUR OF TWEE EN DAN PAS REAGEREN GRAAG !


ik schreef dit naar de journalist
This problem is of historical importance, really, And that is why I contacting you From Belgium, my English sound a little Dutch but I hope you will understand , deception is the main weapon used against not only the Targeted Individuals, but it seems against the world.
The purpose is: CREATING CHAOS

what is the PRECISE connection between the 3 things they name ?
IK GEBRUIK DE ZINNEN LETTERLIJK UIT ZIJN ARTIKEL KNIPPEN PLAKKEN MAAR GEORDEND 1 These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts.

2 high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting "directed energy" weapons capable of causing serious adverse health effects -- what some describe as a "slow genocide."

3 "organized gang stalking" described in your article as "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted

These things are indeed closely connected
OPNIEUW ALLEEN HERHAALD WAT IN ARTIKEL STAAT MET ONZIN ERUIT
And it is not exaggerated to say this targeting One of the root causes of the Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy
These "mechanics of personal destruction," victims say, closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany
The goal is to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals
Victims charge that [b]these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health,[/b]Those who say they have been victimized by these programs are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power carried out

Als ge her verhaal van de blinden en de olifant kent? , dat de blinden allemaal een stukje voelen en hun beschrijving klopt NIEMAND KAN DE HELE OLIFANT ZIEN daarom kunnen de blinden elk op zich alleen HALFWAARHEDEN VERTELLEN zoiets is de situatie gij kent deze problematiek ook totaal niet dus kijk eerst voor ge roept , tis een hele grote olifant

DIT IS WAAR HET OVER GING IN STATIESTIEK HEEL PRECIES

A closer analysis of the answers on organized stalking the answers hardly can be coincidental.
More specifically, when respondents experienced organized stalking in relation to experiencing electronic harassment could unambiguously exclude that the complaints are unrelated..
In case the pattern 60.76% (before) in relation to 10.13% (after) would repeat in other independent samples, and unique characteristic in the totality of all complains could show the problem is a global one, with an unidentified commen cause. (both phenomenons are related as continuation of the "program")

DUS HET GAAT OM VERHOUDING BINNEN 1 STEEKPROEF !

13. IN CASE YOU DO experience organized stalking did it start for you :
Before becoming aware of the electronic sensations.: 60.76%
At the same moment as the electronic sensations: 21.52%
After the electronic sensations: 10.13%
I never experienced any electronic sensations that I know: 7.59%
Total Responded to this question: 79.8%
Total who skipped this question: 20.2%
Total: 100%

IK WEET INDERDAAD DAT HET PATROON ZICH HERHAALD DAT VALT OOK VRIJ EENVOUDIG NA TE ZIEN ! OVERAL TER WERELD IS DIE VERHOUDING ZELFDE

So indeed the problem IS global, and has indeed a common cause, because the patterns DOES repeat where ever the sample is taken. The common cause is the technology called Directed Energy weapons in your Article And it is used globally
If we look at the 3 named problems, we can draw conclusions, about how it is related and what consequences it has.

1The Tampering with mail, computers, and more things like that is clearly technological. And is indeed perfectly confirmed by the Fedame Survey for Targeted individuals. answered mainly by USA and European citizens.
7. Did you experience Hacking or Tampering with electronic devices? What kind of problems or devices?
Responses Percent
Computer Error messages: 66 74.16%
Mail problems: 66 74.16%
Telephone connections home: 53 59.55%
Cell phone problems: 48 53.93%
Personal messages over computer, TV or cell phones?: 45 50.56%
Bankcard Problems: 36 40.45%
Car Electronics problems: 38 42.7%
If other, please specify: 36 40.45%
Total Responded to this question: 89 84.76%

LETTERLIJK UIT ARTIKEL
That this program closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany is because in deed on large scale individuals are suffering with health, and consequences are their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves This has indeed heavy large scale consequences like Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy

VOOR ALLE DUIDELIJKHEID ONMOGELLIJK TOEVAL DAT NET DEZE MENSEN OOK ALLEMAAL MET ORGANIZED STALKING TE MAKEN HEBBEN EN DIT BOVENDIEN WERELDWIJD DENK DAAR EVEN OVER NA , ZE KENNEN ELKAAR NIET ! A part of the symptoms
Induced Sleep: 71.58%
Sleep Deprivation: 91.58%
Extreme Fatigue: 76.84%
Blurred Vision: 60%
Sensations of pain in internal organs: 62.11%
Sensations of pain in backbone, arms, legs, muscles: 68.42%
Numbness and tingling, parenthesis, loss of sensation: 66.32%
Muscle Cramps, spasms, tension: 71.58%
Sudden Headaches: 68.42%
Irregular Heartbeat: 63.16%
Tooth Pain: 58.95%
Diarrhoea: 56.84%
Sensation of Electric Current Running through the Body: 58.95%
Induced thoughts, telepathic communication, and messages. 71.58%
Dream Manipulation: 75.79%
Artificial Emotions (induced fear, anger, shame, joy, hate, sadness): 70.53%
Sudden unexpected sexual arousal: 64.21%
Genital Manipulation: 62.11%
Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16%

LETTERLIJK UIT ZIJN ARTIKEL
Also correct is that this is closely related to genocide, the weapons used on humanity, are causing diseases like chronic fatigue, raises the suicide rates in mainly active population, the typical age of targeted individuals around forty is closely related to this, many Targeted Individuals aware of this, are considered mentally ill, and cannot do nothing, not even warn the world and are not believed in any way they suffer are traumatized and hardly understand what it happening to them,

What is the role in all this of "organized gang stalking" described in your article as "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted
11. Do you experience so called "organized" stalking ?
Responses Percent
Yes: 81 81%
No: 19 19%

The function of this is in the first place making the target accuse anybody he can think of , and huge chaos being the result of all this. This EXTREME DECEPTION IS THE MAIN WEAPON AT THIS MOMENT USES AGAINST HUMANITY

12. Your personal opinion about Organized stalking
People are manipulated and influenced remotely without that they know about the technology.: 12 12.63%
IS THE ONLY CORRECT AND CONSEQUENT ANSWER ONLY MINORITY REALIZES IN ORDER TO DEVIDE VICTIMS FROM ONE ANOTHER SO THEY CANNOT DO NOTHING TOO EVEN NOT COOPERATE TO MAKE THIS PUBLIC QUARRELING ABOUT WHO IS DOING THIS CREATING MORE CHAOS

People and groups actively participate in the harassment and aware of the technology being in use.: 19 20%
Some people around me are "organized" to stalk me, possibly even paid to do so.: 13 13.68%
THIS BELIEVE IS THE PURPUSE TO ACHIEVE IN VICTIMS AND CAUSES ALL THE UNSUPPORTED ACCUSATIVE CLAIMS TOWARDS NEARLY EVERY BODY AROUND THEM EXPLAINED BY MANIPULATION OF PEOPLE INTERACTING

Both cases are possible, some people are manipulated, some consciously aware and involved.: 51 53.68% THE LARGEST GROUP OF VICTIMS REALIZES SOME MANIPULATION IS INVOLVED BUT CAN NOT YET BELIEVE OR IMAGINE THE REAL HORROR THAT IS PLAYED ON THEM AND THE FAR FETCHING CONSEQUENCES OF THE TECHNOLOGY IN USE;

ACCUSATIONS AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE MANIPULATION SOUND AS FOLLOWING
Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted by these government programs, victims charge. These civilian vigilantes, with retired military and public safety officers among their ranks, are believed to be equipped with high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting "directed energy" weapons
OR RESULTS IN CONCLUSIONS LIKE /
Officials in the private sector are believed to have knowledge of some of these programs, since their cooperation is key to the functioning of the system./with health care professionals sometimes pressured to cooperate

Extremely efficient manipulation makes the victims draw "wrong" conclusions who is doing this and insist on accusing the neighbours who use portable devices or who have rebuild microwave ovens to irradiate them, also often named are the masons CIA FBI , government, local police, doctors or specific groups organizations of being "the perpetrators

Majority claims indeed to know who is targeting them
The result is this:
Victims theorize that these "programs of personal destruction" are a derivative of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and Total Information Awareness.
Extra-legal abuses of power carried out under the direction of government agencies.
Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that federal and local government agencies involved in intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection have established a network of secret programs or government "targeting"

DIT IS EEN CATASTROFE !
MAKING ALL THE TIME NONSENS CLAIMS THAT NOBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT ARE INGNORED WHICH RISES HUGE FRUSTRATION IN THEM LEADS TO VIOLANCE AS A RESULT KEEPS CREATING CHAOS
THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY IN HISTORY MEANWHILE GOES UNNOTICED


en nu goed kijken hoe de rest erin past !

OVER CONSPIRACY ALIENS RECOVERED MEMORIES EN SATANIC ABUSE EN .............CHRONISCHE VERMOEIDHEID
There is many more things the result of this technology , is already decades in use and developed on people, [b]DECEPTION was employed to stay unnoticed and prepare this invisible war, it has created a huge habit to nonsense creating alien abductions being believed to be a government cover up, and recovered memories of satanic abuse and other high amount conspiracy related believes created , that lead to associating all conspiracies with total nonsense, and ignoring these growing believes associated with the typical 11 September government involvement . [/b]

www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953
Studie Christopher D. Bader Associate Professor Sociology of Religion Criminology Burleson 318B (254) 710-6238 Christopher_Bader@baylor.edu
Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69)
ACTIEVE BEVOLKING
The findings also suggest that vast conspiracy theories are common in the movement. A little more than 53 percent (53.2 percent) of ritual-abuse survivors believe that the group that abused them is national or international in scope ONZIN MENGEN MET CONSPIRACY DIE
GROEPEN ZIJN ORGANIZED STALKING =ZELFDE DING
BESCHULDIGEN OOK IEDEREENAlthough many ritual-abuse survivors initially accuse their parents of being involved in Satanic cults, those allegations frequently expand during prolonged therapy to include others in the survivor's life, such as brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and spouses. Allegations against spouses, and the inability of spouses to accept increasing amounts of therapy and expanding claims that include more family members and friends, may lead to increased rates of divorce among those who claim ritual abuse.




Deception half truths, Blurring the sharp picture as camouflage a fix pattern, CREATING CHAOS AND CONTRAVERSIES
herwonnen herinnerigen gaan over aliens, seksueel misbruik, satanisch misbruik , en NETJES OOK MINDCONTROL GOVENEMENT EXPERIMENTEN ( de onderwerpen)

mixing up present and past : memories of CIA chemical brainwash experiments achieved with remote brainwash methods, both have same name "mind control", mixing of extremely developed remote technology with relatively old-fashioned one compared to it , like in aliens communicating by telepathy ongoing and remotely, during abductions portable helmets and devices for telepathy, or make believe some to be implanted with a chip which does not look as if its on such a scale and when no chip is found it seems to confirm the victim is imagining everything The word abduction suggests a one time event, while in reality it is a life long experience

victims say the technology can insert screen memories or false memories remotely ….
Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16% and Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
In the Belgium survey The Chinese survey where about half of respondents are of Chinese origin, shows a very similar result, forgetting and remembering in one same question together with screen memories + FROM CHINEES SURVEY MEMORY TAMPERING Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/screen memories) 70.73% survey result from china from over 100 targets

BEZIG MET ALIENS en herwonnen herinneringen (non believer)
Susan Clancy: "One of the most bitter and volatile debates ever to occur in psychology concerns the reality of repressed and recovered memories of traumatic events."

meldt gelijkenis met TARGETED INDIVIDUALS EN ALIENS
mind games In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.)

PLOTSE STIJGING 2000 IN INCIDENTIE VAN DEZE TARGETED INDIVIDUALS WERELD WIJD OOK !

bezig met CIA BRAINWASHEXPERIMENTEN UIT 60 TIES
Prof sheflin The recovered memory debate has been the most acrimonious, vicious and hurtful internal controversy in the history of modern psychiatry. From its very beginning in the late 1980s, it has been more an "ad hominem" war, appealing to feelings and prejudices, rather than a matter of reasoned professional disagreement.

IN 1995 EERSTE KEER HET ONDERWERP MINDCONTROL IN USA HERWONNEN HERINNERT
testimony made on March 15, 1995, in Washington, D.C., before the President's Committee on Radiation. New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients who had uncovered memories of being part of extensive CIA brainwashing programs as young children (in one case, starting at age seven).
Both Wolf and her patients stated that they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques. In other words, these patients spontaneously discovered this information about themselves and their pasts. "She remembers leafing through the volume in her kitchen later that day and seeing a photo of Ewen Cameron. A wave of fear and nausea washed over her. She became hysterical. "I felt I was going to die." The picture, she says, triggered a flood of memories and she now believes that Cameron - the visiting man from Montreal, as she calls him - was among her tormentors" "Mary maintains her tormentors applied strong doses of electricity to her right hand to prevent her from writing about the horrific experiences She says it was both physically and mentally painful, as the memories returned,"
Valerie "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found.

KIJK NAAR EVOLUTIE NU 12 JAAR LATER IS DIT EEN GLOBAAL FENOMEEN EN OOK HIER ENORME STIJGING EN BEGON NET ALS REST IN USA

3 TORTURE_BASED MIND CONTROL =GLOBAL PHENOMENON AND (BASED ON RECOVERED MEMORIES)
http://eassurvey.wordpress.com/2008/09/ ... henomenon/
title of my presentation indicates that torture-based mind control is a global phenomenon. Some of my colleagues have heard reports from their clients about mind control programming in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, France, Israel, Russia, Tibet, Afghanistan, India, Lebanon, Italy, China, Belgium, and Japan (personal communications, December 6, 2006). W Karriker, W. (2008, September
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http://extreme-abuse-survey.net Torture-based, Government-sponsored Mind Control experimentation was conducted on children during the Cold War. Data from two international of survivors of these crimes against humanity SURVEYS - Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors January 1 - March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31 named countries. P-EAS: Professional - Extreme Abuse April 1 - June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Wanda Karriker, PhD A part of the reported symptoms
Microwave abuse12% 04%
Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%
Electronic harassment 50% 12%
Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%


BEGON ALLES IN JAREN TACHTIG
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PROGRAMMED ROBOTS (in child hood or more probable ongoing , past and present mixed up )
DR WANDA KARIKER "Human beings cannot be programmed like robots, I had believed. But that was before the early 80's when persons with multiple personality disorder began coming to me for psychotherapy observed that some of my clients had two distinct sets of alters: those they had created spontaneously ." "In the late 80's, a client who had been processing her memories of satanic ritual abuse brought a journal to our session in which she noted writings by an alter personality who used computer jargon: access codes, systems, exit, entry, delete, input, output, sequences, etc. This client came to believe that her father, an ex-military man, and his buddies in the cult had somehow "programmed" her as a child to serve at their pleasure. Later she remembered hearing words, letters, numbers, rhymes, and sometimes classical music in the background when they were torturing her in various ways.

GRUWELIJK GENOEG OPNIEUW BESCHULDIG PERSOON DE VADER !dit is STANDAARD

TEL DAARBIJ OP WAT KARLA TURNER ZEGT

ALIENS Karla Turner A former college instructor who held a doctorate in Old English Studies from the University of North Texas, Turner had authored three books on the abduction phenomenon, *Into the Fringe (1992), *Taken (1994), *Masquerade of Angels (1994).
Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all: deceitfulness and cruelty. (During encounters, they control our perceptions. They can implant false memories. From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually. They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. )
]"Turner cited many cases pointing to a psychic technology that enabled the aliens to make us see whatever they wanted us to see. They could create virtual reality scenarios at will, she was certain. The abductees took home from their abduction experiences as memories whatever the aliens wanted them to remember.

EN EVENEENS AUTOIMUUNSTOORNISSEN IN ALIENS
http://www.maar.us/alien_agenda.html
. Many female abductees are reporting, autoimmune disorders like Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
EN TRAUMAS EN MINDCONTROL BEELDEN
another majority are experiencing massive trauma in conjunction with their abductions-- anything from being mind controlled with disaster images that are being forced into their minds by artificial means, seeing loved ones tortured if they do not cooperate, seeing what appears to be clones of themselves,

WAAROM DE VERGELIJKING,?of abusive treatment happen with the same style of administration reminiscent of the Nazi German concentration camp doctors?


EN ZEG NU NIET DAT IK ME DIE FEITEN INBEELDT OF DAT IK VERBANDEN ZIE WAAR ER GEEN ZIJN !!!!
DE SCHAAL WAAROP Barbara Bartholic http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/related/barbara_bartholic_interview_karmatoo_2007.html
Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It’s clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a master control system that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights;

The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships (2000), http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm
Subtle orchestrations, such as being immersed in virtual reality scenarios, or flooded with mental imagery while physically in bed, are reported
Mind control & belief conditioning In order to grasp the aliens’ true motives, one must understand the basics of human mind control. The exploitation of humans via mind control can be achieved by: 1. Removing the individual from their normal environment of influence 2. Depriving them of sleep 3. Inflicting pain if they disagree, pleasure if they agree 4. changing their biochemistry 5. Trauma

IS HET NU DUIDELIJK WAT IK BELDOEL HEEL PRECIES ?
LIJKT ME VRIJ DUIDELIJK ONMOGELIJK TOEVALLIG
EN IK WEET ZEKER DAT HET DAT OOK NIET IS


STUDIE GENOT TIS BELANGRIJK GENOEG :wink:
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Berichtdoor Faction Fictory » 12 okt 2008, 11:31

Alice,
ken je het begrip 'locus of control' ?

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Berichtdoor Piet5 » 12 okt 2008, 12:10

Als 'gehackte electronica' en 'organized stalking en 'directed energy weapons' dé ziekteoorzaken zijn wacht jou een zware taak, Alice.
Om dat niet alleen te hoeven doen wil ik samen met jou en prof. Kahn in Utrecht wel eens overleggen over de haalbaarheid daarvan.
Mij valt op dat je de huidige electromagnetische wapens, kosten 400 dollar per wapen, om o.a. de draadkabels uit te schakelen, niet noemt bij de drie ziekteoorzaken. Glasvezelkabels worden o.a. daarom favorieter.
Wees wijs op je levensreis
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Berichtdoor Timmber » 12 okt 2008, 19:25

alice schreef:EN ZEG NU NIET DAT IK ME DIE FEITEN INBEELDT OF DAT IK VERBANDEN ZIE WAAR ER GEEN ZIJN !!!!


JA en JA, maar dat wil je toch niet horen. Dus hou aub. op met spammen want een discussie is dit nooit geweest.
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Berichtdoor Mars » 12 okt 2008, 20:09

Ik denk dat Alice eens moet kijken naar 'Wat is onderzoek?' (ISBN 9789047300014). Een redelijke introductie op het gebied van onderzoek plegen, wat zeer van pas kan komen, lijkt mij...
P.T. Barnum: "There's a sucker born every minute". Stel jezelf de vraag: Ben ik er eentje van?
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Berichtdoor alice » 13 okt 2008, 05:37

Al die commentaar , tis ongelooflijk hoe mensen inelkaar zitten, maar NIET 1 ARGUMENT
een theorie is juist zolang de feiten ze bevestigen, en geen feiten ze weerleggen, en dat is zo in dit geval, niet één van gulle allemaal, heeft éé zinnig argument gegeven om de feiten te weerleggen, dus hebt gulle allemaal dik en vet ongelijk, beseft ge dat ? ik daag heel dit IQ forum uit om één zinnig argument te vinden dat de samenhang van wat ik beweer tegenspreekt ...

de vragen over herinneringen ti"s ,het verschijnsel waar het artikel ocvezr spreekt , de steek proef die steeds zelfde verhoudingen laat zien ieender waar, , blijven allemaal onbeantwoord, WAT EEN LOGICA

En geen enkel feit van wat ik op een rij zet , en dat het geheel PERFECT CONSISTENT MAAKT wordt door iemand weerlegt .....
iedereen gaat blijkbaar voort op GELOOF awel proficiat .... :lol:

ik schrijf mijn verhaal netjes aan de journalist in kwestie , mijn engels trekt op niet veel , maar de samenhang van wat die vertelt is tenminste JUIST ! ALLEE WIE DURFT ECHT ARGUMENTEN GEVEN?
Ben er heel rustig in dat dat niet lukken zal, wat het plaatje KLOPT
Hier mijn reactie op de man zijn artikel ....ze hebben de hele academische wereld liggen, ulle incluis :shock:

About your article

Targeting of U.S. Citizens by Gov't Agencies: Root Cause of Wall Street Financial Crisis?

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/targeting ... ent-212121

This problem is of historical importance, really And that is why I contacting you From Belgium, my English sound a little "Dutch" sorry for that J but I hope you will understand ,
Jumping to conclusions in this could is very dangerous, because DECEPTION is the main weapon used against not only the Targeted Individuals, but it seems against the world.

THE PURPOSE OF WHAT HAPPENS IS CREATING CHAOS ON A GLOBAL SCALE
DECEPTION MAINTAINED SECRECY AND FOLLOWED BY THE SURPRISE
THE PURPETRATOR IS UNKNOW AND INVISIBLE ILL EXPLAIN IN DETAIL

This has been prepared in silence for decades The first Question to ask, is

"what is the PRECISE connection between the 3 things Targeted Individuals name in your article ?

1 These programs allegedly involve the interception of mail; surveillance, interception and alteration of telecommunications, including telephone and internet communications; fabrication of bank, credit card, mortgage and billing statements; surreptitious manipulation of personal and business bank and mortgage accounts.

2 high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting "directed energy" weapons capable of causing serious adverse health effects -- what some describe as a "slow genocide."

3 "organized gang stalking" described in your article as "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted

These things are indeed closely connected and it is not exaggerated to say the this targeting is

One of the root causes of the Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy

These "mechanics of personal destruction," victims say, closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany

The goal is to destroy their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves and their families destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals

Victims charge that these programs also are designed to degrade their physical health,

Those who say they have been victimized by these programs are calling upon Congress to immediately convene hearings on unconstitutional, extra-legal abuses of power carried out

That this program closely resemble the tactics employed by pre-war Nazi Germany is because in deed on large scale individuals are suffering with health, and consequences are their capacity to earn a living and to support themselves This has indeed heavy large scale consequences like Wall Street financial meltdown that threatens to devastate the global economy

Also correct is that this is closely related to genocide, the weapons used on humanity, are causing diseases like chronic fatigue, raises the suicide rates in mainly active population, the typical age of targeted individuals around forty is closely related to this, many Targeted Individuals aware of this, are considered mentally ill, and cannot do nothing, not even warn the world and are not believed in any way are traumatized and hardly understand what it happening to them,

THE PROBLEM IS A GLOBAL ONE, ARTIKEL OF JANUARI 2007 IN THE WASHINGTON POST CONFIRMS THIS AND ITS ESSENTIAL

Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01399.html
Until recently, people who believe the government is beaming voices into their heads would have added social isolation to their catalogue of woes. But now, many have discovered hundreds, possibly thousands, of others just like them all over the world. Web sites dedicated to electronic harassment and gang stalking have popped up in India, China, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom, Russia and elsewhere.


It is about the same group of Targeted individuals, and points to many connections this problem has,
but does not yet draw the complete picture, mainly because Journalist Sharon Weinberger does not believe the Targeted Individuals claims, the technology is really used on them, and does not even wonder why al around the world this claims are connected with "organized" stalking, something that clearly can not be coincidence,,

EUROPEAN GROUP FOR TARGETED INDIVIDUALS LAUNCHED A SURVEY ABOUT THIS PROBLEM
The survey confirms fully consistently all 3 problems in your article, confirms some of TI's conclusions, and reveals the same consequences as you describe in your article,

Survey results on organized stalking confirm it must be one and the same thing happening all around the world
A closer analysis of the answers on organized stalking the answers hardly can be coincidental.
Question nr 13 (with 105 respondents).
13. IN CASE YOU DO experience organized stalking did it start for you :

Before becoming aware of the electronic sensations.: 60.76%

At the same moment as the electronic sensations: 21.52%

After the electronic sensations: 10.13%

I never experienced any electronic sensations that I know: 7.59%

Total Responded to this question: 79.8%

Total who skipped this question: 20.2%

Total: 100%

answers of the precise moment respondents experienced organized stalking in relation to experiencing electronic harassment could unambiguously exclude that the complaints are unrelated..

In case the pattern 60.76% (before) in relation to 10.13% (after) would repeat in other independent samples, and unique characteristic in the totality of all complains could show the problem is a global one, with an unidentified common cause.(both phenomenon are related as continuation of the "program")

Indeed the problem IS global, and has indeed a common cause, because the patterns DO repeat where ever the sample is taken. The common cause is the technology called "Directed Energy weapons" in your Article And it is used globally

A SHARP RISE IN INCIDENCE OF TARGETED INDIVIDUALS IN 2000 everywhere

The remotely targeted individuals complains show a sharp rise in incidence in 2000, This pattern is the same on every single continent of the planet and can be easily checked by comparing different samples of a representative number of victims and look at the evolution over the different years of each group. This evolution persists and consequently leads to a steady increase and accumulation world wide total numbers of victims conscious of this happening to them

1. What is the year you FIRST REALIZED and were FULLY AWARE that you were under attack with remote manipulation weapons (directed energy - mind control)?

Before

1980: 1.96%
1980: 0 0%
1981: 0 0%
1982: 1 0.98%
1983: 0 0%
1984: 0 0%
1985: 1 0.98%
1986: 2 1.96%
1987: 0 0%
1988: 0 0%
1989: 0 0%
1990: 1 0.98%
1991: 1 0.98%
1992: 1 0.98%
1993: 1 0.98%
1994: 2 1.96%
1995: 1 0.98%
1996: 5 4.9%
1997: 3 2.94%
1998: 5 4.9%
1999: 1 0.98%
2000: 3 2.94%
2001: 9 8.82%
2002: 11 10.78%
2003: 4 3.92%
2004: 13 12.75%
2005: 12 11.76%
2006: 11 10.78%
2007: 7 6.86%
2008: 5 4.9%
2009: 0 0%
Total Responded to this question: 102 97.14%
Total who skipped this question: 3 2.86%

1 Tampering with mail, computers and telephone is clearly technological.

And is confirmed for by Targeted individuals. mainly USA and European citizens, answered the survey
7. Did you experience Hacking or Tampering with electronic devices? What kind of problems or devices?
Responses Percent
Computer Error messages: 66 74.16%
Mail problems: 66 74.16%
Telephone connections home: 53 59.55%
Cell phone problems: 48 53.93%
Personal messages over computer, TV or cell phones?: 45 50.56%
Bankcard Problems: 36 40.45%
Car Electronics problems: 38 42.7%
If other, please specify: 36 40.45%
Total Responded to this question: 89 84.76%
Total who skipped this question: 16 15.24%
Total: 105 100%
Once more confirmed the problem is global, rapports do match world wide in detail.
What is the role in all this of "organized gang stalking" described in your article as "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted ?
11. Do you experience so called "organized" stalking ?
Responses Percent
Yes: 81%
No: 19%

Additional Comments: 33%
Total Responded to this question: 95.24%
Total who skipped this question: 4.76%



EXTREME DECEPTION IS THE MAIN WEAPON AT THIS MOMENT USES AGAINST HUMANITY

and chaos as a result of this. So it is essential is to see that not ALL conclusions of Targeted Individuals are correct, distinguish precisely the truth from the their conclusions as a consequence of this deception, The deception and manipulation results mainly in accusations of any possible kind of people being involved, participating or at least aware of what is going on.

The results in next question can illustrated this

12. Your personal opinion about Organized stalking

1 People are manipulated and influenced remotely without that they know about the technology. 12.63%

THE ONLY CORRECT AND CONSEQUENT ANSWER only a minority realizes

2 People and groups actively participate in the harassment and aware of the technology being in use.: 20%

3 Some people around me are "organized" to stalk me, possibly even paid to do so.: 13.68%

THIS BELIEVE IS THE PURPUSE TO ACHIEVE IN VICTIMS AND CAUSES ALL THE UNSUPPORTED ACUSATIVE CLAIMS TOWARDS NEARLY EVERY BODY AROUND THEM EXPLAINED BY MANIPULATION OF PEOPLE INTERACTING

4 Both cases are possible, some people are manipulated, some consciously aware and involved.: 51.68%

THE LARGEST GROUP OF VICTIMS REALIZES SOME MANIPULATION IS INVOLVED BUT CAN NOT YET BELIEVE OR IMAGINE THE REAL HORROR THAT IS PLAYED ON THEM AND THE FAR FETCHING CONSEQUENCES OF THE TECHNOLOGY IN USE;

Total Responded to this question: 90.48%

Total who skipped this question: 9.52%

Total: 100%



Extremely efficient manipulation causes the victims draw "wrong" conclusions "who is doing this and sometimes insist on accusing the neighbours who use "portable devices" or who "rebuild" microwave ovens to irradiate them, also often named are the masons CIA FBI , government, local police, doctors or specific groups organizations of being "the perpetrators

ACCUSATIONS AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE MANIPULATION SOUND AS FOLLOWING

(From your article )
Citizen vigilantes affiliated with government-funded community policing and "watch" groups are employed to harass and intimidate those targeted by these government programs, victims charge. These civilian vigilantes, with retired military and public safety officers among their ranks, are believed to be equipped with high-tech instruments such as radiation-emitting "directed energy" weapons

OR RESULTS IN CONCLUSIONS LIKE :

Officials in the private sector are believed to have knowledge of some of these programs, since their cooperation is key to the functioning of the system.

with health care professionals sometimes pressured to cooperate

Indeed majority claims to know who is targeting them and results in what you describe about this situations correctly e in your article as : Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that federal and local government agencies involved in intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection have established a network of secret programs or government "targeting". Victims theorize that these "programs of personal destruction" are a derivative of past controversial government programs such as Cointelpro and Total Information Awareness. Extra-legal abuses of power carried out under the direction of government agencies.



QUESTION Do you think you know who is using the technology on you?

Responses Percent

Yes: 69.15%
No: 30.85%
Additional Comments: 56.38%
Total Responded to this question: 94.95%
Total who skipped this question: 5.05%

THIS ENOUMOUS MANIPULATION IS ONLY EXPLAINEBLE because This technology is able to Access and manipulation any kind of all electronic communications, or electrical devices and system, public and private, and interface directly with the nervous systems of biological organisms, controlling movement and behaviour

A part of the symptoms
Induced Sleep: 71.58%
Sleep Deprivation: 91.58%
Extreme Fatigue: 76.84%
Blurred Vision: 60%
Sensations of pain in internal organs: 62.11%
Sensations of pain in backbone, arms, legs, muscles: 68.42%
Numbness and tingling, parenthesis, loss of sensation: 66.32%
Muscle Cramps, spasms, tension: 71.58%
Sudden Headaches: 68.42%
Irregular Heartbeat: 63.16%
Tooth Pain: 58.95%
Diarrhoea: 56.84%
Sensation of Electric Current Running through the Body: 58.95%
Induced thoughts, telepathic communication, and messages. 71.58%
Dream Manipulation: 75.79%
Artificial Emotions (induced fear, anger, shame, joy, hate, sadness): 70.53%
Sudden unexpected sexual arousal: 64.21%
Genital Manipulation: 62.11%
Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16%
SEKSUAL STIMULATION IN TARGETED INDIVIDUALS A COMMON SYMPTOM
Mind Games in de Washington Post January 2007.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 99_pf.html
"Both male and female TIs report a variety of "attacks" to their sexual organs. "My testicles became so sore I could barely walk," Girard says of his early experiences. Others, however, report the attacks in the form of sexual stimulation, including one TI who claims he dropped out of the seminary after constant sexual stimulation by directed-energy weapons. Susan Sayler, a TI in San Diego, says many women among the TIs suffer from attacks to their sexual organs but are often embarrassed to talk about it with outsiders." It's sporadic, you just never know when it will happen," she says. "A lot of the women say it's as soon as you lay down in bed -- that's when you would get hit the worst. It happened to me as I was driving, at odd times."
What made her think it was an electronic attack and not just in her head? "There was no sexual attraction to a man when it would happen. That's what was wrong. It did not feel like a muscle spasm or whatever," she says. "It's so . . . electronic."


CLAIMS THAT NOBODY UNDERSTANDS AS A RESULT AND BEING INGNORED RAISES HUGE FRUSTRATIONS RESULTING IN VIOLANCE DISTRUST AND CHAOS

One sad Example
Biologist Rupert Sheldrake was stabbed in the leg earlier this year by Kazuki Hirano, a Japanese day laborer who had been stalking Sheldrake after believing he was the victim of mind control experiments. For those who don't know.. Hirano is being held in California while he undergoes psychological evaluation. While doctors so far have determined he's not technically psychotic or schizophrenic, Hirano apparently believes that he was initiated into secret mind control experiments conducted by Sheldrake on London's homeless population on behalf of the government.

THE BIGGEST CONSPIRACY IN HISTORY MEANWHILE GOES UNNOTICED

There is many more things the result of this technology, is already decades in use and developed on people, DECEPTION was employed to stay unnoticed and prepare this invisible war, it has created a huge habit to nonsense creating alien abductions being believed to be a government cover up, and recovered memories of satanic abuse and other high amount conspiracy related

believes created , that lead to associating all conspiracies with total nonsense, and ignoring these growing believes associated with the typical 11 September government involvement .

THE SURVEY CONFIRMS IT WAS GOING ON BEFORE TI 'S WERE AWARE

Once you realized consciously the technological effects, did you think this was going on BEFORE you became aware of it and how long was it going on?

Responses Percent
No: 10.42%
I did not think of it or i don't know at all .: 10.42%
Yes at least one year: 17.71%
Yes at least 5 years: 11.46%
Yes at least 10 years: 7.29%
Yes at least 15 years: 4.17%
Longer than 15 years: 3.12%
Since Childhood: 16.67%
Yes it was going on, but i don't know for sure how long.: 18.75%
Total Responded to this question: 96.97%
Total who skipped this question: 3.03%

INFORMATION OVERFLOW IS MAIN STRATEGY OF CAMOUFLAGING THE REAL THING

promoted as democratic development of knowledge and popularization of science, created a total overflow of nonsense overwhelming the internet, included all explanations of the technology works in a hopeless attempts to "proof "the technology exist, included microwave oven used by the neighbors so not only single scientist would ever take any information seriously,

even if the claims fundamentally were correct that the technology is in use.
NO ALIENS ARE INVOLVED BUT ALIEN ABDUCTIONS IS COVER OF IT


Deception is played also on the whole academic world over the past decades.
In the last year article Mind Games Washington post Susan Clancy confirms the similarities of targeted individuals and alien abductees, she does not further wonder why.

Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01399.html

In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.)



RECOVERED MEMORIES A LARGE CHAPTER OF HISTORY

The rest is f an incredible story which seems to be the biggest surprise for mankind ever.
Susan Clancy to the aliens abductions because she studied the problem of so called "recovered memories" Susan Clancy: "One of the most bitter and volatile debates ever to occur in psychology concerns the reality of repressed and recovered memories of traumatic events."

There is much debate about this. Because both sides have some points to make,
Some therapists who work with trauma survivors believe that the memories are true because they are accompanied by such extreme emotions. Other therapists have reported that some of their patients have recovered memories which could not have been true (a memory of being decapitated, or abducted by aliens , for example

This dispute sexual abuse in childhood was leading to court and explaines the bitternes disbute was ongoing, Claims of alien abduction have become increasingly common over the past thirty years,

Clancy reports Recruiting people who truly believed they'd been abducted by extraterrestrials; she found a way to study memory creation without directly engaging the bitter debate over recovered memories of abuse. And listening to their grotesque and often sexually explicit accounts, she could be reasonably sure that the memories she was studying were not vivid recollections of traumatic abuse,

ANOTHER SUBJECT RELATED TO RECOVERED MEMORIES SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ri ... useSatanic
ritual abuse (SRA) refers to reports of physical and sexual abuse of individuals, generally children or adults reporting on memories of childhood abuse, in the context of Satanic rituals.
Allegations of SRA first appeared in the early 1980s, arising mainly in the United States and United Kingdom and to a lesser extent other parts of the world. The definitions and extent of SRA are controversial as the reports of it are based mostly on testimonials and recovered memories.
therapists who work with trauma survivors believe that the memories are true, often were blamed of having "implanted the memories"
In 1997 a Texas jury awarded Lynn Carl $5.8 million based on her claim that treatment in the Dissociative Disorders Unit at Spring Shadows Glen Hospital produced false memories of satanic ritual abuse, and generally wrecked her life
That such debate creates chaos is clear ..

A much more politically flavoured subject appeared on the scene : mind control in childhood
Alan Scheflin, a California law professor and researcher, has been pressing the U.S. government since the 1970's to reveal the full extent of its involvement in mind control. Mr. Scheflin, who teaches at Santa Clara University, was co-author of a 1978 book based partly on a flurry of material released the Central Intelligence Agency under freedom of information legislation
Scheflin has written a book that questions some research used to support the existence of false memory syndrome. He believes the success of the syndrome's advocates in spreading the message has prevented some victims from coming forward. He got involved on this way in the debate

Alan Scheflin
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/1158280
The recovered memory debate has been the most acrimonious, vicious and hurtful internal controversy in the history of modern psychiatry. From its very beginning in the late 1980s, it has been more an "ad hominem" war, appealing to feelings and prejudices, rather than a matter of reasoned professional disagreement.

: http://www.tulanelink.com/mind/testimony_04a.htm U.S. Government-Sponsored Mind Control and Tulane The 1995
Testimony of Valerie B. Wolf and Claudia S. Mullen On March 15, 1995, New Orleans clinical social worker Valerie B. Wolf and two of her clients, Claudia S. Mullen and Chris deNicola Ebner

testimony made on March 15, 1995, in Washington, D.C., before the President's Committee on Radiation. New Orleans therapist Valerie Wolf introduced two of her patients who had uncovered memories of being part of extensive CIA brainwashing programs as young children (in one case, starting at age seven). Their brainwashing included torture, rape, electroshock, powerful drugs, hypnosis and death threats. According to their testimony, the CIA then induced amnesia to prevent their recalling these terrifying sessions Both Wolf and her patients stated that they recovered the memories of this CIA program without regression or hypnosis techniques. In other words, these patients spontaneously discovered this information about themselves and their pasts.

"She remembers leafing through the volume in her kitchen later that day and seeing a photo of Ewen Cameron. A wave of fear and nausea washed over her. She became hysterical. "I felt I was going to die." The picture, she says, triggered a flood of memories and she now believes that Cameron - the visiting man from Montreal, as she calls him - was among her tormentors" "Mary maintains her tormentors applied strong doses of electricity to her right hand to prevent her from writing about the horrific experiences She says it was both physically and mentally painful, as the memories returned," Valerie "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found. While somatization disorder is commonly found in these clients,( many of the clients who have been involved in the human experimentation with the government have multiple medically-documented physical ailments, and I was really shocked today to hear one of the speakers talk about the cysts and the teeth breaking off, because I have a client that that's happening to. http://www.raven1.net/hradexco.htm#VALWOLF

Please look at the precise formulation in the 95 testimony of CIA [b]brainwash experiments


Very precisely the sentence "Mary maintains her tormentors applied strong doses of electricity to her right hand to prevent her from writing about the horrific experiences" [/b]
This sentence raises an obvious question: How can her tormenter be tormenting her at the moment she writes her experience she can remembers only after recovering the memories of it, while the abuse she is testifies about on the hearings has taken place in childhood and the abuser she identifies is already dear for many year?

It looks as if this description is about a currently ongoing torment. The most logical explanation to explain this is that her torment is a remote one……


Not just this one detail points to a remote psychic technology, the same "directed energy weapons" being the real and hidden cause of all this, But in the first place that introducing the remote technology would lead to a surprising picture in which all of those experiences would coexist as one single and perfectly coherent reality.

THE HEALTH PROBLEM CONNECTED WITH IT NOT EXPLAINED

Therapist Valerie 1995 "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for which a diagnosis cannot be found
Just as the Remotely targeted individuals accuse systematically the wrong people ,
Ewen Cameron was believed to be the tormenter in 95 CIA BRAIN WASH on Mary,

Accusing the government of this seems to be the PURPOSE otherwise no false memories would be inserted to confuse, brainwash CIA in the past , with what is happening now remotely and from that I draw a probable conclusion that nobody knows this is happening , not even the CIA, it is SECRETY

KEY WORDS DECEPTION SECRECY SURPRISE

In case ALL recovered memories would be cause by this , they should resemble and that is the case and is confirmed by many people who looked at the subject

Walter Boward WHO ALSO WROTE A BOOK ON MINDCONTOL
he noticed very correctly the similarities between ALL RECOVERED MEMORIES
"[u]I've seen several patterns emerge, and one of them is the Satanic or cult ritual abuse pattern, and the other one's the alien abduction experience, I have developed, added the mind control to the comparison of descriptions and reports from people that report alien abduction experiences, ritual abuse, and the government mind control side of things. And it's very interesting for the similarity, there are so many similarities it looks like one and the same thing,. [/u]
Lecture by Authors Walter Bowart, Alan Scheflin, and Randy Noblitt http://www.whale.to/b/bowart6.html

He does not give a specific explanation for that …
usually beginning in the form of sensations or emotions, sometimes involving "flashbacks" where the person feels like they are re-living the memory. This material gradually becomes more integrated until it resembles other memories. :

The rapports of Targeted individuals say the technology can insert screen memories or false memories remotely ….

Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16% and Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
In the Belgium survey The Chinese survey where about half of respondents are of Chinese origin, shows a very similar result, forgetting and remembering in one same question together with screen memories + FROM CHINEES SURVEY MEMORY TAMPERING Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/screen memories) 70.73% survey result from china from over 100 targets

Deception half truths, Blurring the sharp picture as "camouflage" a fix pattern,
mixing up present and past ": memories of CIA chemical brainwash experiments achieved with remote brainwash methods, both have same name "mind control", "mixing" of extremely developed remote technology with relatively old-fashioned one compared to it , like in "aliens" communicating by telepathy "ongoing" and "remotely", during "abductions" "portable" helmets and devices for telepathy, or make believe some to be implanted with a chip which does not look as if its on such a scale and when no chip is found it seems to confirm the victim is imagining everything The word "abduction" suggests a one time event, while in reality it is a life long experience

SEVERAL MORE THINGS THAT CONFIRM THE OVERLAPS NOT BEING COINCIDENTAL


The evolution of the people recovering memories of mind control experiments in childhood is a very similar one as the evolution of the Targeted Individuals : In 95 (as far as I know) the subject was relatively new for recovered memories and only uniquely connected to the USA Earlier rapports of recovered memories were mainly connected with subjects like sexual abuse, satanic rituals and alien abductions.

RECOVERED MEMORIES ONCE MORE BUT WORLDWIDE 2008

12 years After Testemonies of CIA brainwash in Washington
TORTURE_BASED MIND CONTROL =GLOBAL PHENOMENON BASED ON RECOVERED MEMORIES http://eassurvey.wordpress.com/2008/09/ ... henomenon/ title of my presentation indicates that torture-based mind control is a global phenomenon. Some of my colleagues have heard reports from their clients about mind control programming in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, France, Israel, Russia, Tibet, Afghanistan, India, Lebanon, Italy, China, Belgium, and Japan (personal communications, December 6, 2006).
W Karriker, W. (2008, September)
http://extreme-abuse-survey.net
Torture-based, Government-sponsored Mind Control experimentation was conducted on children during the Cold War. Data from two international of survivors of these crimes against humanity SURVEYS - Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors January 1 - March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31 named countries. P-EAS: Professional - Extreme Abuse April 1 - June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Wanda Karriker, PhD A part of the reported symptoms

Microwave abuse12% 04%
Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%
Electronic harassment 50% 12%
Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%


This survey results I compared it with the multiple testimonies online based on recovered memories of CIA brainwash experiments from the 60ties March 15, 1995, in Washington, D.C., before the President's Committee on Radiation have many things in common. The technology reported as microwaves ect suggests remote technology abuse, than the description only of the experience as Mary 95.

Unusual fears were described by Mary in 95, again at the same moment she starts "to recover" memories she considers to be childhood memories The upcoming memories seem to go together with the rest of the symptoms. The Auto immune disorders are a physical problems one would not expect normally to be related to child abuse experiences but are mentioned in both 95 testimonies as in the 2007 EAS, Same is for Fibromyalgia and the headaches. The list in both case is partial there is much more data in the EAS and about 95 and Mary i mention only what I found on this especially the description of the electricity I wanted to mention. The trauma is same in both 95 en EAS 2007 and coming up at the moment the abuse is remembered, and not as one would expect just after the abuse occurred but this debate is directly related to the false recovered memory controversy that i will leave for another time now. The similarity between the 95 description and the EAS is clear I find

Finally i believe it is causing the dispute on ALL "recovered" memories of the past and avoids universities and politics by the silly subjects like aliens or paranormal like stuff, not easily taken seriously,

I WILL ONLY LINK IT TO INVESTIGATORS OF ALIENS
There is so many more things confirming this , but my mail is now already so extremely long to read with soo much information that i need to finish somewhere.

Turner cited many cases pointing to a psychic technology that enabled the aliens to make us see whatever they wanted us to see. They could create virtual reality scenarios at will, she was certain. The abductees took home from their abduction experiences as memories whatever the aliens wanted them to remember. Even what was revived under hypnosis might only be a screen memory."
http://www.karlaturner.org/
Karla Turner A former college instructor who held a doctorate in Old English Studies from the University of North Texas, Turner had authored three books on the abduction phenomenon, *Into the Fringe (1992), *Taken (1994), *Masquerade of Angels (1994).
Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all: deceitfulness and cruelty. (During encounters, they control our perceptions. They can implant false memories. From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually. They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. )

autoimmune disorders like Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ALIENS
http://www.maar.us/alien_agenda.html ALIEN SITE
Out of this group, another majority are experiencing massive trauma in conjunction with their abductions-- anything from being mind controlled with disaster images that are being forced into their minds by artificial means, seeing loved ones tortured if they do not cooperate, seeing what appears to be clones of themselves, forced to hold alien/hybrid children, themselves forced into submitting to painful experimentations, even being given a deadly disease for non cooperation. Many female abductees are reporting, autoimmune disorders like Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as well as a sudden onset of female urinary tract infections and a host of female problems which eventually lead in some cases to hysterectomy.

master control system" that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights Barbara Bartholic

http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/rel ... _2007.html
Why do I continue to research, under terrible duress, the most important subject in our universe? It's clear. What could be more compelling than identifying what I call a "master control system" that defies all locks, law enforcement, physics, and governments, and last but not least, human rights; or identifying an alien-organized operation possessing such technical supremacy that they can hide in plain sight. It's a force that can delude people into refusing to believe in their existence. At the same time, alien manipulative "overlord ship" is altering the course of human life.

The Love Bite: Alien Interference in Human Love Relationships (2000),
http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm http://www.alienlovebite.com/love_bite.htm
"The term was first coined the "alien love bite" by a small but growing number of aware abductees who began to realize that some of their love relationships were engineered by the aliens who abducted them."
"It became clear that the alien abductors be they Grey aliens, reptilians, human military or other unknown species, were heavily manipulating their "chosen ones" down to the very detail of their love and sex lives! Not only did these aliens set relationships up, but also they interfered in ways to break couples apart, friendships and even families. Clearly, the alien abduction phenomenon entailed more than the simple medical exams, and missing time episodes as reported by the "credible" Ufologists and abduction researchers of the 1980's and early 90's. "
"I believe that Dr. Karla Turner died prematurely as a result of an abduction-related reprisal for her boldness in speaking the truth. I personally know abductees and researchers who have been afflicted with a series of unfortunate "coincidences" following exposure to these darker truths. These reprisals included sudden divorces, love bite set-ups, health problems and even cancer

In order to grasp the aliens' true motives, one must understand the basics of human mind control. The exploitation of humans via mind control can be achieved by: 1. Removing the individual from their normal environment of influence 2. Depriving them of sleep 3. Inflicting pain if they disagree, pleasure if they agree 4. changing their biochemistry 5. Trauma

http://www.rense.com/ufo3/fliers32699.htm
ABDUCTIONS AND CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME BY MAX BURNS
Investigator Max Burns believes there may be a connection between "Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (M.E.)" generally known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the alien abduction scenario. For the first time there may be some evidence of what causes abductions. Max states: "It has come to light through my own research into the subject of UFO's & alien abduction, it would appear at first glance that there may well be a link with "Myalgic Encephalomyelitis" the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the Alien Abduction scenario." Over the last two years he has obtained information from a thirty-two year old female abductee from the UK. She has had a long history of medical problems and has been diagnosed with M.E. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Even more interesting is that she is a member of an abductee group who meet once a month in London, this group has, 20 members who attend regular. These people are a fair cross section of the populace, who travel from all around the country to the meetings. They are also from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds. All have different doctors. Although I am good friends with the person mentioned above I also know other members of this group. About three months ago I was interested to learn that out of the 20 members of the group, 14 members of the group have all been medically diagnosed with "Myalgic Encephalomyelitis" (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome). I have it confirmed from B.R.A.M.E, (Blue Ribbon Association Myalgic Encephalomyelitis). The B.R.A.M.E group has a World wide network for this illness with groups in 18 countries and estimates 500,000 to 1 million sufferers in the UK (1-2% of the population). Out of the total figure about 25% of sufferers are house bound. I have discovered that The ME/CFS Charities Alliance considers this to be a vast overestimate of the true situation. The data used included studies of patients with chronic fatigue, rather than just Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Editor's Note: I encourage that all suspected abductees have regular physicals and extensive blood work accomplished. This will aid in determining the exact nature of the abduction scenario. Copies of blood work and physicals should be provided to and MUFON physicians and investigators for analysis.

A sociological study of 55UFO abductees and 51 ritual-abuse survivors. .
www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php?id=18953

Studie Christopher D. Bader Associate Professor Sociology of Religion Criminology

Burleson 318B (254) 710-6238 Christopher_Bader@baylor.edu
Education Ph.D., University of Washington (2002)
•M.A., Bowling Green State University (1995)
•B.A., The Evergreen State College (1991)
Both UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors are compared seems to confirm once again the idea this technology is mainly creating chaos and conflicts included the fact the therapist is considered the cause of the memories that come up.
Few things compared
RITUAL ABUSE SURVIVERS ACCUSE ALSO EVERYBODY AS TARGETED INDIVUDUALS OR PEOPLE WITH RECOVERED MEMORIES OF SEXUAL ABUSE IN CHILDHOOD
Although many ritual-abuse survivors initially accuse their parents of being
involved in Satanic cults, those allegations frequently expand during prolonged therapy to include
others in the survivor's life, such as brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and spouses.
Allegations against spouses, and the inability of spouses to accept increasing amounts of therapy
and expanding claims that include more family members and friends, may lead to increased rates
of divorce among those who claim ritual abuse

Modern UFO abductees, however, report multiple abduction experiences leading to a belief amongst abductees that the extraterrestrials target and continue to follow certain people throughout their lifetimesTHE SAME WAY AS TARGETED INDIVIDUALS THEY BELIEVE GROUPS ARE INVOLVED IN THE ABUSE AND THAT THEY ARE INTERNATIONAL

The findings also suggest that vast conspiracy theories are common in the movement. A little more than 53 percent (53.2 percent) of ritual-abuse survivors believe that the group that abused them is national or international in scope

THE AGE IS THE SAME AS IN TARGETED INDIVUDALS : ACTIVE POPULATION
Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69)

OVERLAP WITH THE NEW PHONOMANON ALSO FROM 80 TIES DISSOCIATION OR MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER

As discussed above, there has been significant overlap between the increasing popularity of multiple personality disorder (now referred to as dissociative identity disorder) as a diagnosis and claims of ritual abuse (see, e.g., Brown 1986; Fraser 1990; Friesen 1991; Hector 1991; Ryder 1992). The survey of ritual-abuse survivors indicates that MPD is a part of the survivor experience. Eighty-six percent of survivors reported that they have multiple personalities and the mean number of personalities reported was 100 (median = 50).
THE MOMENT IT HAPPENS POIINTS TO THERAPIST BEING GUILTY OF THE MEMORIES NIGHT MARES AND DEPRESSIONS RAPPORTED BEFORE THAT

Consistent with earlier surveys of ritual-abuse survivors, most (87.5 percent) were not aware of the ritual abuse, or of their numerous personalities, until they began therapy.

Survivors reported many different reasons for entering therapy in the first place, such as bulimia and other eating disorders, marital problems, depression, and nightmares
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Timmber schreef:
alice schreef:EN ZEG NU NIET DAT IK ME DIE FEITEN INBEELDT OF DAT IK VERBANDEN ZIE WAAR ER GEEN ZIJN !!!!


JA en JA, maar dat wil je toch niet horen. Dus hou aub. op met spammen want een discussie is dit nooit geweest.


inderdaad , een dicussie zonder argumenten , da gaat niet, ik hoor er echter geen één , kijk maar naar alle posting, heb op elk argument geantwoord, het belangrijkste dat ik hoorde , was de "recovered memories NIET nieuw was, dat kon ik weerleggen aan de hand van de omschrijving en cijfers rond veelvoudige persoonlijkhied (disisiatieve stoornis ook) , de symptomen , het soort herinnneringen, studies van believers EN non believers dus ok, voor de rest kwam er niet veel , dus ik zal een wat concrete vragen stellen, zien of dat lukt :roll:

waarover gaat her artikel in die USA gazet, of beter vanwaar komt die zottigheid van die claims ineens ? (ik weet wel , tzijn amerikanen :) maar dan nog ...
Targeting of U.S. Citizens by Gov't Agencies: Root Cause of Wall Street Financial Crisis?http://my.nowpublic.com/world/targeting-u-s-citizens-govt-agencies-root-cause-wall-street-financial-crisis#comment-212121
Victims of so-called "organized gang stalking" claim that federal and local government agencies involved in intelligence, law enforcement, and revenue collection have established a network of secret programs aimed at destroying the financial well-being of "targeted" individuals -- who are denied due process of law as their financial resources are systematically expropriated.

tweede vraag, waarom ook volgens Clansy hoeveel gelijkenissen er zijn tussen de targeted individuals waarover mindgames gaat (en ook het bla bla artikel boven in USA gazet ) en de alien anductees ?
Ze geeft zelf geen verklaring inderdaad ....

Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01399.html
In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia.

Er is eveneens een duidelijk link met herwonnen herinneringen ...
vandaar dat ze uberhaubt aliens bestudeert
Susan Clancy: "One of the most bitter and volatile debates ever to occur in psychology concerns the reality of repressed and recovered memories of traumatic events."Clancy reports Recruiting people who truly believed they'd been abducted by extraterrestrials; she found a way to study memory creation without directly engaging the bitter debate over recovered memories of abuse Tot daar dus stap één in de redenering, de vraag stelt zich natuurlijk waarom VERSCHILLENDE TOTAAL NIET GERALATEERDE ZAKEN OPKOMEN die herinnnerd worden ,,? en ALL die zaken ontstaan in de jaren 80... dit zijn aliens, seksueel misbruik, satanisch ritueel misbruik, en CIA brain wash experimenten...IN DE KINDERJAREN....
Allee da was laten we zeggen vraag 3

vierde vraag ....hoe komt het dat alle "targeted individuals, wereld wijd DRIE DEZELFDE elementen in hun verhaal hebben ? ,
1 Gehakte electronica
2 Organized stalking
3 Symtomen die "electrisch" voelen en specific bv "seksuele stimulatie zoals de alien abductees?

moesten die drie zaken nu ergens in de DSM als verband houdend worden beschreven of zoeits , maar dat is dus niet het geval ....

Gek genoeg, ook de aliens blijken electronica te hacken :wink:
en er is meer , maar ik ga het bij 4 vragen laten ...
of klopt het niet wat ik zeg?
:?:
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Piet5 schreef:Om een sensitieve betrekkingswaan in relatie tot de CIA en ufo's, waarover je schrijft dat er sprake is van 'camouflage,' als 'logisch' te formuleren is geen hulp voor iemand, die zich in zijn kamer opsluit en de ruiten doet sneuvelen om zo die ufonauten bij zich vandaan te houden.


Of er nu hulp is of niet :) , het gaat altijd ongeveer na 2 jaar stukken minder en beter, vast patroon , of die mens nu pillen krijgt of nie , dat ligt niet eens zo ver van de waarheid die ook door "medische sector" wordt gemeld , voor zover ik weet, heb geen gegevens nu bij de hand ...

Dat is trouwens BIJ ALLE ALIEN ONTVOERDEN ZO !!!!
John Mack stelde vast dat het om totaal coherente en normale gemiddelde mensen gaat, maar hij leerde ze kennen, (en dat vindt ge niet dikwijls zo duidelijk , tenzij ge zoekt , ) al NA DIE EERSTE JAREN
De eerste jaren zijn ze ook zo, beweren hetzelfde en vandaar het "trauma" dat ze eraan overhouden en dat overgaat daarna ....

Heel veel ontvoerden isoleren zich gewoon, of doen of er niks aan de hand is ....toch is dit in ALLE ontvoerden algemeen ...serieus ...
Hoe is het met die "zoon" die gij kent nu ? En welk jaar is dat gebeurd ?
Moet nie weten wie het is maar had hij ook symptomen als seksuele opwinding uit het niks? zware duizeligheid en misselijkheid, diaree en barstende hoofdpijnen ?,, Heel gekke dromen? telepathishe boodschappen ?
En Electronica gehacked ? Boodschappen op tv ?
ti's maar een vraag ....
Helaas wordt dat nergens serieus onderzocht . .

Hier link naar forum, mindcontrol, afdeling waar de mensen zich voorstellen en hun verhaal doen , symtomen heel gelijklopend ...
http://www.fedame.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=19
Er hangen ook de 600 getuigenissen tussen bestand in link te downloaden, enfin ja :?:
en altijd het debat dat organized stalking illussie is gecrreerd door mindcontrol ..tja ...
Het moet lukken allemaal he ? Dat weet die Dr uit Utrecht niet meteen denk ik ....das een "apparte afdeling" :wink: , die hij maar heel even te zien krijgt soms ....
echt zunne , net als de alien ontvoerden (is zelfde bron )
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Ik val van de ene verbazing in de andere nu het over ontvoerden gaat en ik bij de achterblijvers na vermissing nooit zulke verhalen gehoord heb als ik nu lees.
Zonder medische gegevens bij de hand te hebben schrijf je over "of er nu hulp is of niet" en baseert daarop het gelijk van wat je verder poneert.
Interessant. Of jij nu hulp nodig hebt of niet, je hebt altijd gelijk.
'Conspiracy' - succes met die ufonauten.
Wees wijs op je levensreis
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Piet5 schreef:Ik val van de ene verbazing in de andere nu het over ontvoerden gaat en ik bij de achterblijvers na vermissing nooit zulke verhalen gehoord heb als ik nu lees.
Zonder medische gegevens bij de hand te hebben schrijf je over "of er nu hulp is of niet" en baseert daarop het gelijk van wat je verder poneert.
Interessant. Of jij nu hulp nodig hebt of niet, je hebt altijd gelijk.
'Conspiracy' - succes met die ufonauten.


Zijn da argumenten ? tis weer flauw

Aliens sturen geheugen :idea:
http://noorderlicht.vpro.nl/artikelen/10633247/

Die twijfel, dat werkt niet prettig. Dat vinden ook rechters, die steeds vaker worden geconfronteerd met ‘herwonnen herinneringen’: iemand herinnert zich dankzij een of andere therapie dat hij ooit verkracht is, en klaagt de vermeende dader aan. Maar die ontkent meestal bij hoog en laag. Wie heeft er dan gelijk?

Wij zijn toen gaan denken hoe je dat probleem kunt omzeilen, en gingen op zoek naar mensen van wie je mag aannemen dat hun verhalen niet kloppen, maar die daar zelf wel heel erg in geloven. Die mensen zijn er – zo’n vier miljoen Amerikanen zijn er van overtuigd ooit door ruimtewezens te zijn ontvoerd. Een traumatische ervaring, want vaak verrichten aliens bizarre seksuele experimenten op mensen, met veel geweld en mishandeling. Vreselijk, maar als wetenschapper mag je toch wel zeggen dat dat waarschijnlijk niet echt is gebeurd.

HOE KUNNEN 4 MILJOEN AMIRIKANEN ZELLFDE HERINNERINGEN HEBBEN?
EN ALLEMAAL EVEN TRAUMATISCH EN BIZAR?
EFFE SERIES ! DIT IS PAS ECHT VOLLEN BAK IN DE JAREN 80 ONTTAAN IDEM VOOR REST HERWONNEN HERINERINGEN
Ik snap wel dat die er niet opkomt maar als ge erver nadenkt ...hoe kan dat ? GEEN VERKLARING DUS
EN NU DE LICHAMELIJKE REACTIE
AAN DE HERINNERINGEN

Wat bleek? Elk verhaal deed de hartslag van de ontvoerden toenemen, verreweg het sterkst bij het verhaal over de ontvoering – gemiddeld 7,8 slagen per minuut extra. McNally vergeleek dat met de uitslagen van twee eerdere onderzoeken bij Amerikaanse Vietnamveteranen, die volgens dezelfde onderzoeksmethode luisterden naar hun eigen oorlogservaringen. In de twee studies werden gemiddelde hartslagtoenames gemeld van 3,2 en 5,9 slagen per minuut. Voor het zweet dat ze op hun handen afscheidden geldt hetzelfde: de ontvoerden transpireren meer dan de gewezen Vietnamsoldaten.

Dat verschil kan McNally niet verklaren, maar dat vindt hij ook niet zo belangrijk.

waarom vindt die dat niet belangrijk ,??, omdat er geen aliens zijn, en hij er verder vooral GEEN VERKLARING VOOR HEEFT

JUIST HE ?? DAT BEDOEL IK DUS HEEL PRECIES !
STEL DAT HET INDERDAAD EXPERIMENTEN ZIJN
DAN IS ER WEL EEN VERKLARING HE ?


DAT ZIJN NU ARGUMENTEN VOILA NU GIJ :?:
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Berichtdoor Blueflame » 13 okt 2008, 12:11

Alice,

je beseft het wellicht niet, maar je bewijst helemaal niets en zeker niet wat jij beweert. Neem nu deze:

7. Did you experience Hacking or Tampering with electronic devices? What kind of problems or devices?
Responses Percent
Computer Error messages: 66 74.16%
Mail problems: 66 74.16%
Telephone connections home: 53 59.55%
Cell phone problems: 48 53.93%
Personal messages over computer, TV or cell phones?: 45 50.56%
Bankcard Problems: 36 40.45%
Car Electronics problems: 38 42.7%
If other, please specify: 36 40.45%
Total Responded to this question: 89 84.76%
Total who skipped this question: 16 15.24%
Total: 105 100%
Once more confirmed the problem is global, rapports do match world wide in detail.

Hiermee toon je alleen aan dat er wereldwijd computers soms problemen hebben, een bankkaart soms niet werk, een auto al eens in panne valt. Een maand of twee-drie geleden startte mijn wagen niet. Relais van de brandstofpomp was stuk. Enkele dagen geleden kreeg ik een foutmelding op de computer: "could not reach the update server", wat correct is, want door een stroompanne lagen de suse-update servers er uit. Ben ik nu het slachtoffer van mindcontrol ? Laat me ni lachen !


Je kan met één zo'n tabel niets aantonen. Je zou een vergelijking moeten maken: valt de auto van iemand die "TI" is meer in panne dan een andere ? Maar hoe ga je dat doen ? Want wie beweert niet onder mindcontrol te staan, staat er misschien wel onder, maar wordt gedwongen om te zeggen niet onder mindcontrol te staan ....... Ha !

Het leven de dag van vandaag is niet altijd even eenvoudig. In vele mensenlevens moeten vele problemen opgelost worden. Dat gaat niet altijd even vlot. Leer er mee leven dat het leven niet altijd simpel is ! En bovenal, zoals ik vroeger elders reeds schreef: mensenrechten zijn een ernstige zaak. Maak er aub geen rommeltje van door ministers met onzin lastig te vallen
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Alice schreef:HOE KUNNEN 4 MILJOEN AMIRIKANEN ZELLFDE HERINNERINGEN HEBBEN?
EN ALLEMAAL EVEN TRAUMATISCH EN BIZAR?


Allemaal naar dezelfde film gekeken ?

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Blueflame schreef:
Alice schreef:HOE KUNNEN 4 MILJOEN AMIRIKANEN ZELLFDE HERINNERINGEN HEBBEN?
EN ALLEMAAL EVEN TRAUMATISCH EN BIZAR?


Allemaal naar dezelfde film gekeken ?

Mvg.


Da zou een "mogelijke" verklaring kunnen zijn bij gebrek aan een betere..
wet verklaart ze echter NIET
-Een hoop mensen (moet maar lezen wat bv John Mack erover schreef), hadden GEEN interesses in aliens, WISTEN NIET EENS waar alien ontvoeringen over gingen......DESONDANKS overviel hen uit het niks dezelfde ervariing, dat is ook LETTERLIJK DE REDEN waarom John Mack het niet begreep , die man wist toch wat die vertelde?
Hij is gevraagd door Bud Hopkins om het probleem te bezien, zijn eerste reactie was "maar enfin die moeten toch tureluut zijn" tot het ogenblik dat hij de eerste groep ontmoete , en stomverbaasd iets vaststelde als klinische psychiater, dat hij met NIKS DAT HIJ KENDE duiden kon, en TE DIKWIJLS OM TOEVALLIG TE ZIJNdat is FEIT en niet zomaar te verklaren met media

- het feit dat mensen elkaar niet kennen, en hetzelfde vertellen is één ding, maar dat ze er bovendien nog LICHAMELIJKE OBJECTIEF VAST TE STELLEN (Zelfde ) symptomen van extreme stress bij hebben , dat is nog nog eens te veel om toeval te zijn,
Wat de reactie veroorzaakt van bc mcnally, is dat die er geen verklaring voor heeft en er van uit gaat a priori dat er gaan is en het "gemakshalve" dan maar niet belangijk vindt

- EEN GOEDE VRAAG OM STELLEN
neem als hypothese dat dit van "ergens" komt
1 dan moet het kenmerken hebben van iets nieuws dat niet verklaarbaar is door iets dat we kennen van ervoor....
2 en voldoende dikwijls voorkomen om niet toevallig te kunnen zijn
3 en mogelijk DAARBOVENOP , op verschillende niet gerelateerde zaken "lijken", maar door teveel gelijke kenmerken om toevallig te zijn, blijkbaar ook "hetzelfde ding" zijn, los de "naam" die ze krijgen.
(de naam bepaalt helaas, de reactie, zoals ge ziet bv "aliens" worden anders beoordeeld dan "seksueel misbruik" in herwonnen herinneringen, of met aliens communiceren, anders dan met "mindcontrol" communiceren , (het ene krijgt een glimlacht, het andere stempel "psychiatrie) , terwijl KENMERKEN VAN BEIDE ZIJN IEDENTIEK

dat is pas ECHT rationeel , niet ? voila , dat bedoel ik dus
Greets :D

Dat is rationeel he? juist toch ?
Awel als we nu zo te werk gaan, zou dat niet wonderbaarlijk zijn?
Zien wat dat geeft...deal?


en als tweede dat het "verschillende dingen lijkt"
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Berichtdoor willem_betz » 13 okt 2008, 19:16

alice,
hebben die aliens bij jou ook zo'n verschrikkelijke chip ingeplant? Laat toch maar vlug Rx-foto's maken en dan verwijderen voor het te laat is!
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Berichtdoor Blueflame » 13 okt 2008, 19:50

willem_betz schreef:alice,
hebben die aliens bij jou ook zo'n verschrikkelijke chip ingeplant? Laat toch maar vlug Rx-foto's maken en dan verwijderen voor het te laat is!
groetjes

Eigenlijk is dat nu net het punt. Alice beweert dat dat allemaal kan ZONDER dat er een chip wordt ingeplant. Dus gewoon 'remote programming' zeg maar. Van op afstand, zonder chip, kunnen mensen 'bestraald' worden door 'hen(*)', zodat ze dingen gaan horen, dingen gaan zien, dingen gaan voelen; verplicht worden ( of juist verboden ) om bepaalde handelingen te doen. En die 'dingen' zijn dus welbepaalde dingen : welbepaalde woorden, welbepaalde beelden etc.

Dat Alice dan maar eens met een wetenschappelijk document aantoont dat dit kan. Ik zeg dat dit niet kan, want was het wel zo, dan had ik geen radio meer nodig.

(*) Die hen is een zo geheim genoodschap, dat de leden ervan zelf niet weten dat ze tot die 'hen' behoren. Zo geheim is het allemaal. Tralalie tralala.

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Berichtdoor Enigma » 22 okt 2008, 18:08

Potverdriedubbeltjes met snotjes………… dacht ik toch al jaren dat het van de fluor in het drinkwater komt………….. :shock:

Daar sta ik dan slachtoffer van een gemeen geheim plan om mijn persoontje dwars te zitten en te treiteren. Want ja, ik heb sinds 1989 CVS-ME syndroom, sinds 1996 Hashimoto, een auto-immuunziekte, sinds 1997 Fybromialgy en de afgelopen twee jaar was niet alleen de schildklier niet meer goed in te stellen met medicatie maar weet ik sinds kort dat ik al lang heel slecht slaap doordat ik aan slaapapneu lijd. Volgens de visie van Alice moet ik nu zo snel mogelijk nog naar de hypno- of andere peut om mijn valse geïmplanteerde herinneringen op te halen aan satanisch/ritueel misbruik of nog leuker en spannender de ontvoeringen door Aliens sinds mijn kindertijd. Dan is het bewijs rond dat ook ik een slachtoffer van dit smerige mind-control complot ben………. :?

Enfin, tisss wat :lol: en dan nu even serieus. Alice eerst even terzijde het volgende, op internet wordt in het algemeen het schrijven in hoofdletters als schreeuwen gezien, in hoofdletters èn vet gedrukt is dan wel heel erg schreeuwen en de letters uitvergroten terwijl je jezelf herhaald komt dan zelfs een tikje hysterisch over. Enorm lange eigen bijdrages opnieuw copyen en pasten maken het lastig om je serieus te nemen, je kunt rustig verwijzen naar een eerdere bijdrage door middel van datum en tijd te vermelden. Het maakt de uitwisseling wat prettiger zo. :wink:

Laten we er voor het gemak vanuit gaan dat de verbanden die jij, en anderen menen te zien en als feitelijke realiteit beschouwen, correct zijn. Wat hebben we daar dan aan? Wat schiet ik en met mij velen die chronisch ziek door de in dit verband genoemde klachten zijn, al dan niet met naar boven gehaalde onderdrukte herinneringen aan…….., op met deze wetenschap. Nu ben ik dus volgens jouw visie ziek gemaakt door een mij onbekende macht met een mij onbekend doel, en dan, :cry: ........helpt mij dat om te genezen, helpt mij dat om de eventuele valse herinneringen niet meer te hebben, wordt ik daar kortom gelukkiger van? Ben ik beter af met de wetenschap dat er ergens een stel machtsgeile hufters zijn die mij dit hebben aangedaan en nog dagelijks aandoen? Veranderd die wetenschap ook maar iets aan mijn situatie, geeft het uitzicht op verbetering?

Nee dus, als het al waar zou zijn dan nog heb ik daar niets aan, ik sta immers tegenover een bijzonder slimme en verborgen vijand die niet te bestrijden is en als ik dit voor waar aan zou nemen is de kans groot dat ik van frustratie en machteloze woede hartstikke depressief erbij zou worden. Voor degene die al labiel is en de psychisch zwakkeren is zo een wetenschap met alle daaruit voortvloeiende emoties voldoende om richting opname in de psychiatrie te belanden. :evil:

Mensen willen graag verklaringen voor dat waar zij onder of aan lijden en de menselijke geest is heel vernuftig in het verzinnen van verklaringen als deze (nog) niet of moeilijk te vinden zijn. Een van de imo meest voorkomende manier is de oorzaak van het lijden buiten zichzelf neer te leggen en het liefst zo dat er een schuldige is aan te wijzen. Het zinloze, nutteloze lijden is sinds de mens denken kan blijkbaar niet te verdragen laat staan te aanvaarden, de idee dat we in een onvolmaakte wereld leven waar je als mens geen invloed hebt op in hoeverre jij door die onvolmaaktheid getroffen wordt, lijkt in steeds nieuwe gedachtepatronen vorm te moeten krijgen. Anders kunnen weer lijkt het wel niet mee leven. :?

Het kan ook toeval zijn dat sinds een kleine 30 jaar de westerse mens steeds minder religieus gelovig is geworden met als piek de jaren 70 en 80 waarin de kerken letterlijk leegliepen. Het is een imo menselijke eigenschap om iets wat groter is als de mens aan te wijzen als dat wat verantwoordelijke is voor vormen van lijden. Jouw onbekende geheime macht die ons ziek maakt en beheerst lijkt zo verdacht veel op de OT God of JHWH. :twisted:

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Berichtdoor Enigma » 22 okt 2008, 18:20

Ik vroeg me ook af waarom dit fenomeen zich bijna alleen beperkt tot de Westerse mens, zijn Afrikanen, Arabieren en Aziaten niet interessant voor de geheime machthebbers met hun manipulatiespelletjes en zo ja, waarom niet en zo nee, waarom niet?

In die delen van de wereld kent men het beschreven verschijnsel amper, het speelt zich vooral af in Europa en de USA, daar is het opgekomen, voor het eerste beschreven en is de hype/hysterie ontstaan met name rond de "alien-obductions en het satanisch ritueel misbruik".

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Berichtdoor alice » 23 okt 2008, 15:52

Enigma schreef:Ik vroeg me ook af waarom dit fenomeen zich bijna alleen beperkt tot de Westerse mens, zijn Afrikanen, Arabieren en Aziaten niet interessant voor de geheime machthebbers met hun manipulatiespelletjes en zo ja, waarom niet en zo nee, waarom niet?

In die delen van de wereld kent men het beschreven verschijnsel amper, het speelt zich vooral af in Europa en de USA, daar is het opgekomen, voor het eerste beschreven en is de hype/hysterie ontstaan met name rond de "alien-obductions en het satanisch ritueel misbruik".

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Hi ik ben blij dat je DE GELIJKENISSEN INDERDAAD OPMERKT
INTUSSEN IS HET WERELS WIJD DIT ALLES, TWIJFEL DAAR NIET AAN; (kijk maar naar de recovered memories van mind control in kindertijd,) ALLES en inder daad het gaat om HETZELFDE
het wordt weggegehouden van univesiteiten en zo door het met hopen onzin te vermengen en groeid gestadig van jaren tachtig ! , explodeert mometeel in stilte !
hierover contacteerde ik prof mc nally op harvard, mijn reputatie zal mij worst wezen :lol:

ALS ER MAAR EEN IEMAND NADENKT DAN BEN IK AL HEEL HEEL BLIJ
:idea: :?:

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2003 ... alien.html
Abductees showed surprisingly strong physiological reactions to the tapes of their alien encounters. Their reactions were as great as or greater than those of individuals who cannot shake memories of combat, sexual abuse, and other punishing events.
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2005 ... alien.html
Victims wake up and find themselves paralyzed, unable to move or cry out for help. They see flashing lights and hear buzzing sounds. Electric sensations zing through their bodies, which may rise up in levitation. McNally, and their colleagues made some tantalizing discoveries. Measurements of sweating, heart rate, and brain waves showed that those claiming to be abductees show the same symptoms of post-traumatic stress syndrome as combat veterans

MIJN MAIL NAAR MCNALLY HARVARD IN SLECHT ENGELS Dear Prof Mc Nally

Please apologize my bad English , i am contacting as fast i can people know a part of this problem, like you with your investigation on the "alien abductions" , already and could see that my conclusions on "recovered memories" could not only be true, but have far fetching implications for near future , ill try to explain as well i can in English and comparing the related facts i have the moment.(please think about this , it really does explain and confrim many seemingly unrelated facts )

_ The tree different experiences (Recovered memories, alien abduction, sexual abuse, satanic rituals, mind control in childhood) are so similar they are probably the same thing....
_ The recovered memory point of view cannot explain memories that cannot have happened. " and I think or all of them must false, or all true ... not just some depending the subject.
_ The false memory theory cannot explain why such strong emotions and traumatic reactions are involved, and so similar testimonies from people who totally don't know each other, but at the same time so different subjects, that some are believed and some not (reason why Harvard Psychiatrist John Mack spoke about a "mystery" when he was confronted with alien abductions. In 2004 he was hit by a car …just after his documentary "touched" started to be spread over several universities world wide.)
And why all these things started in the 80 ties … (global pattern started USA)
_ None of both theories explains the connections with health problems
like, auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases female problems, pains, sleeping problems, headaches
The symptoms (and also the age) of remotely targeted individuals are precisely the same as the of the people who suddenly start to "receive –recover "memories from decades ago
Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).
Considering the memories to be artificial and remotely induced, explains all the things consistently …But the implications are horrible (the is many facts pointing to this)

The same conclusion that Karla Turner had and SHE WAS RIGHT! 100 percent
(No matter how it sounds)
http://www.karlaturner.org/ Karla Turner A former college instructor who held a doctorate in Old English Studies from the University of North Texas, Turner had authored three books on the abduction phenomenon, *Into the Fringe (1992), *Taken (1994), *Masquerade of Angels (1994). Died of cancer in 1996
Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all: deceitfulness and cruelty. (During encounters, they control our perceptions. They can implant false memories. From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually. They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. ) Turner cited many cases pointing to a Psychic technology that enabled the aliens to make us see whatever they wanted us to see. They could create virtual reality scenarios at will, she was certain. The abductees took home from their abduction experiences as memories whatever the aliens wanted them to remember. Even what was revived under hypnosis might only be a screen memory."
--

Walter Boward (write a book on mind control ) who recently died from cancer already years ago noticed the similarities between ALL these recovered: false memories
http://www.whale.to/b/bowart6.htm
Lecture by Authors Walter Bowart, Alan Scheflin, and Randy Noblitt
reports from people that report alien abduction experiences, ritual abuse, and the government mind control side of things. And it's very interesting for the similarity; there are so many similarities it looks like one and the same thing,

The rapports about Remote manipulation weapons from Targeted Individuals are of historical importance,. Jumping to conclusions can be very dangerous, because DECEPTION AND SURPRISE are the main weapons used against BOTH the Targeted Individuals, as on the world TO ACHIEVE THAT THE SITUATION GOES UNNOTICED AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AND VISIBLE IN GLOBAL PATTERNS OVER TIME ,
A SHARP RISE IN INCIDENCE of people rapport to be under remote attack occurred in precisely year 2000 and all around the world that points to a global problem.
There is several recently launched surveys on this and result same world wide.
This evolution results in a fast growing number of people who meanwhile are aware of it and more or less under attack, but officially no where monitored or reported as such so officially invisible as a group.
Many victims are trying internationally to get organized to get help from human rights organizations or political bodies and are only the top of the iceberg.
Observers have no idea of the scale of this problem, don't recognize a situation they totally know or don't expect, and can not connect the different explanations of victims so ignore the complaints. They are simply "not believed"

TARGETTED INDIVIDUALS RAPORT MAINLY 3 SEPARATE THINGS
A -Most ti's rapport physical and mental symptoms they experience from the moment the conscious experiencing the technology starts.
A part of the symptoms (rest is in attachment completer survey results)
Induced Sleep: 71.58%
Sleep Deprivation: 91.58%
Extreme Fatigue: 76.84%
Blurred Vision: 60%
Fibromyalgia: 16.84%
Autoimmune Disorders (lupus scleroderma,): 10.53%
Sensations of pain in internal organs: 62.11%
Sensations of pain in backbone, arms, legs, muscles: 68.42%
Numbness and tingling, parenthesis, loss of sensation: 66.32%
Muscle Cramps, spasms, tension: 71.58%
Sudden Headaches: 68.42%
Irregular Heartbeat: 63.16%
Tooth Pain: 58.95%
Diarrhoea: 56.84%
Sensation of Electric Current Running through the Body: 58.95%
Induced thoughts, telepathic communication, and messages. 71.58%
Dream Manipulation: 75.79%
Artificial Emotions (induced fear, anger, shame, joy, hate, sadness): 70.53%
Sudden unexpected sexual arousal: 64.21%
Genital Manipulation: 62.11%
Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16%
Underlined typical or interesting ones
B -Most ti's rapport interception of mail, interception and alteration of telecommunications, telephone and internet communications and dysfunctions of all kind of electronic devices and cars electronic.
Did you experience Hacking or Tampering with electronic devices? What kind of problems or devices?
Responses Percent
Computer Error messages: 73.81%
Mail problems: 75%
Telephone connections home: 59.52%
Cell phone problems: 54.76%
Personal messages over computer, TV or cell phones?: 51.19%
Bankcard Problems: 40.48%
Car Electronics problems: 42.86%
If other, please specify: 38.1%
Total Responded to this question: 84.85%
C -Most ti's experience "Organized stalking, which they explain in a few possible ways"
the Survey for remotely targeted individuals questions about organized stalking,
11. Do you experience so called "organized" stalking?
Responses Percent
Yes: 80.85%
No: 19.15%
Additional Comments: 34.04%
Total Responded to this question: 94.95%
Total who skipped this question: 5.05%
12. Your personal opinion about organized stalking
Responses Percent
People are manipulated and influenced remotely without that they know about the technology. 12.36% (the correct explanation in my opinion )
People and groups actively participate in the harassment and aware of the technology being in use. 21.35%
Some people around me are "organized" to stalk me, possibly paid to do so.: 14.61%
Both cases are possible, some people are manipulated, some consciously aware and involved: 51.69%
Total Responded to this question: 89.9%
Total who skipped this question: 10.1%
Total: 100%
13. IN CASE YOU DO experience organized stalking did it start for you :
Responses Percent
Before becoming aware of the Electronic Sensations.: 60.76%
At the same moment as the electronic sensations: 21.52%
After the electronic sensations: 10.13%
I never experienced any electronic sensations that I know: 7.59%
Total Responded to this question: 79.8%
Total who skipped this question: 20.2%
Total: 100%
Analyzing the answers of questions about stalking, and the consistency between them, ALL targets know this problem.
Those tree things (nearly) always go together on the entire planet without the people knowing about each other and suddenly in 2000 on every continent a sudden increase in numbers of new targeted victims a year occurs, and this continues like this, year after year, until the present.
This should at least raise the question how the complaints possibly can be unrelated

THIS POINTS TO LONG TIME ALREADY IN IN USE
Once you realized consciously the technological effects, did you think this was going on BEFORE you became aware of it and how long was it going on?
No: 10.42%
I did not think of it or i don't know at all .: 10.42%
Yes at least one year: 17.71%
Yes at least 5 years: 11.46%
Yes at least 10 years: 7.29%
Yes at least 15 years: 4.17%
Longer than 15 years: 3.12%
Since Childhood: 16.67%
Yes it was going on, but i don't know for sure how long.: 18.75%
Total Responded to this question: 96.97%
Total who skipped this question: 3.03%
What is the kind of school-study you have done:
Basic school education. 9.47%
Specific professional education or. 8.42%
Middle school: 2.11%
High School: 15.79%
University: 57.89%
Doctorate: 6.32%
Total Responded to this question: 95.96%
Total who skipped this question: 4.04%
How you would describe this experience?
Extreme crimes on humanity. 83.33%
Totally negative for future of human race. 62.5%
This must stop it is criminal. 82.29%
A challenge for Humanity: 38.54%
Possible help for Humanity: 10.42%
Extreme Torture without anything positive.: 63.54%
A shock, traumatizing, scary but sometimes pleasant or interesting.: 21.88%
Glad to be aware of what is going on so its not a secret anymore to me.: 50%
Total Responded to this question: 96.97%
Total who skipped this question: 3.03%
SUSPECTING SPECIFIC PEOPLE
Do you think you know who is using the technology on you?
Responses Percent
Yes: 69.15%
No: 30.85%
Additional Comments: 56.38%
Total Responded to this question: 94.95%
Total who skipped this question: 5.05%
Age is around 40

The totality of what technology has caused in the past already are well hidden has grown so slowly nobody even wondered why several seemingly unrelated things even existed. Considered to have developed spontaneously to be a modern "trends" or were explained by other factors. In case they were not explainable at all, they resulted in different controversies which appeared the past decades. (Recovered memories? )


ANOTHER UNEXPLAINED GLOBAL PATTERN 1999 SUICIDE RATES
New York Times. Midlife Suicide Rises, Puzzling Researchers By PATRICIA COHEN Published: February 19, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html
for officials, it is a surprising and baffling public health mystery What happened in 1999 that caused the suicide rate to suddenly rise primarily for those in midlife? For health experts, it is like discovering the wreckage of a plane crash without finding the black box that recorded flight data just before the aircraft went down.
THE 40_45 AGE = ACTIVE POPULATION = (targeted individuals), "the suicide rate among 45-to-54-year-olds increased nearly 20 percent from 1999 to 2004"
"Decreased among people 65 and older."


How do link the rapports on remote manipulation with alien abductions (and other recovered memories experiences, what are the similarities, and connections?


A general and the most important article in detail that the group "Targeted Individuals" (ti's) received.
Sharon Weingberger Washington Post : "Mind Games" 15 01 2007
(about the mind control Targeted Individuals )
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01399.html Until recently, people who believe the government is beaming voices into their heads would have added social isolation to their catalogue of woes. But now, many have discovered hundreds, possibly thousands, of others just like them all over the world. Web sites dedicated to electronic harassment and gang stalking has popped up in India, China, Japan, South Korea, the United Kingdom, Russia and elsewhere.
S Clancy describes the similarities between the mind control victims and "alien abductees" but does not further wonder why
In her book, Abducted, Harvard psychologist Susan Clancy examines a group that has striking parallels to the TIs: people who believe they've been kidnapped by aliens. The similarities are often uncanny: Would-be abductees describe strange pains, and feelings of being watched or targeted. And although the alleged abductees don't generally have auditory hallucinations, they do sometimes believe that their thoughts are controlled by aliens, or that they've been implanted with advanced technology ] stimulation to their sexual organs (as the TIs describe) or feelings of paranoia..(On the online forum, some TIs posted vociferous objections to the parallel, concerned that the public finds UFOs even weirder than mind control. "It will keep us all marginalized and discredited," one griped.)

Susan Clancy: "One of the most bitter and volatile debates ever to occur in psychology concerns the reality of repressed and recovered memories of traumatic events."

She does not believe the abductees talk about something real what happened to them, but she also cannot explain the trauma and the surprising physical reactions……

Clancy reports Recruiting people who truly believed they'd been abducted by extraterrestrials; she found a way to study memory creation without directly engaging the bitter debate over recovered memories of abuse. And listening to their grotesque and often sexually explicit accounts, she could be reasonably sure that the memories she was studying were not vivid recollections of traumatic abuse, Claims of alien abduction have become increasingly common over the past thirty years,

http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/dissoc ... aterec.htm
A war continues to rage between advocates of "recovered memories" and advocates of "false memory syndrome I believe that both sides have some points to make Are these recovered memories necessarily true? There is much debate about this. Some therapists who work with trauma survivors believe that the memories are true because they are accompanied by such extreme emotions. Other therapists have reported that some of their patients have recovered memories which could not have been true (a memory of being decapitated, for example).

SUPPOSE ALL RECOVERED FALSE MEMORIES ARE CAUSED BY REMOTE TECHNOLOGY
In case we suppose the technology is in use for a longer time and possibly could be causing false memories on global scale and longer term, we see once more a new global phenomenon starting around the 80 ties, precisely when the academic controversy on "recovered-false memories" of the past decades starts.

When linked on this way to the seemingly unrelated, experiences associated, on a way they do make sense as part of one problem, (alien abductions, satanic ritual abuse, or any other abuse , memories of mind control in childhood, and remote electronic mind control reported by the group of targeted individuals), the totality becomes a clear and consistent picture on large scale that can easily be recognized, and in creases over time ...This includes Multiple personality disorder or DID that also started to appear around the 80 ties
The fact this approach does not only connect the several experiences related to recovered memories, but explains the whole academic controversy on "recovered memories" of past decades, is a good reason at least to consider it.
This idea would perfectly fit with the global pattern of the remote mind control victims that is growing bigger at the moment.


The most interesting and what I am mainly trying to explain the fact that half of the complaining victims say the REMOTE technology can insert screen memories or false memories remotely ….
Manipulation of Memory (screen memories, false memories): 43.16% and
Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/): 72.63%
In the Belgium survey
The Chinese survey where about half of respondents are of Chinese origin, shows a very similar result, forgetting and remembering in one same question together with screen
Manipulation of Memory (forgetting/remembering/screen memories) 70.73%
Survey result from China from over 100 targets
According to the victims the technology is capable of very precise remote control of the central nervous system to such extend that its perfectly capable to insert false memories of whatever, combined with any emotion or sensation, this is perfectly consistent with the typical rapports of "recovered memories" a relatively new phenomenon that came up in the early 80ties, for witch has not yet been found any specific explanation and that explains why the subject is so controversial in the first place

About the subject from wiki pedia SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE
SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ri ... useSatanic
ritual abuse (SRA) refers to reports of physical and sexual abuse of individuals, generally children or adults reporting on memories of childhood abuse, in the context of Satanic rituals. Allegations of SRA first appeared in the early 1980s, arising mainly in the United States and United Kingdom and to a lesser extent other parts of the world. The definitions and extent of SRA are controversial as the reports of it are based mostly on testimonials and recovered memories.
Allegations of and treatment for SRA has been linked to dissociative identity disorder.
DID, also referred to as multiple personality disorder), with approximately 20% of DID patients also alleging cult abuse.[92] Many DID patients report memories that they allege are forms of ritual abuse though most are undocumented
A survey investigating 12,000 cases of alleged SRA found that most were diagnosed with DID as well as posttraumatic stress disorder.

RANDY NOBLIT investigates " satanic ritual abuse" and supports patients rapporting this.
http://ritualabusearticles.wordpress.co ... blitt-phd/ An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy - Randy Noblitt, PhD Professor and Director Clinical Doctoral Program, The California School of Professional Psychology Alliant International University in Los Angeles

His first reaction on the comparison with alien abductions about which I contacted him before, ( he does not consider alien abductions as child abuse so, does not know why its similar still both based on the same kind of memories ) Was the following:
Hi Monika, Thanks for your note.
Yes, I agree that there may be a connection between alien abduction stories and ritual abuse/mind control survivors. I have not actually seen many people who say they were abducted by aliens in my practice, nor did Carol Rutz, Thorsten Becker, Bettinna Overkamp, & Wanda Karriker (2008) did not find many RA/MC survirors who reported abduction experiences in their study. I have wondered if perpetrators put on "alien" costumes and then abused those people who had such memories. Best Wishes,* *Randy*


http://ritualabuse.us/
The main website in USA of Satanic ritual Survivors RECOVERED MEMORIES OF CHILDHOOD OF MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS (aliens are not considered)

In 2007 (also based on recovered memories and investigated from the therapists point of views the memories are real, no matter is that is true or not, still their observations are correct)
TORTURE_BASED MIND CONTROL =GLOBAL PHENOMENON http://eassurvey.wordpress.com/2008/09/ ... henomenon/
title of my presentation indicates that torture-based mind control is a global phenomenon. Some of my colleagues have heard reports from their clients about mind control programming in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, France, Israel, Russia, Tibet, Afghanistan, India, Lebanon, Italy, China, Belgium, and Japan (personal communications, December 6, 2006). W Karriker, Phd (2008, September)

http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-s ... henomenon/ Survey on this (more detailed in link above) AVERAGE AGE 40_45
http://extreme-abuse-survey.net Torture-based, Government-sponsored Mind Control experimentation was conducted on children during the Cold War. Data from two international of survivors of these crimes against humanity SURVEYS - Extreme Abuse Survey for Adult Survivors January 1 - March 30, 2007 with 1471 respondents from 31 named countries. P-EAS: Professional - Extreme Abuse April 1 - June 30 2007 with 451 respondents from 20 named countries. Wanda Karriker, PhD A part of the reported symptoms
Microwave abuse12% 04%
Non-lethal weapons abuse 56% 24%
Electronic harassment 50% 12%
Sleep deprivation 79% 36%
Auto-immune disorders 48%
Sleep problems 93% 75%
Migraine headaches 66% 38%
Fibromyalgia 31% 18%
Posttraumatic stress disorder 93% 70%
Unusual fears 90% 67%
The technology reported as microwaves ect suggests directly remote technology abuse,
The same kind of things is what the people you work with rapport as "radio waves" i suppose.
Unusual fears at the same moment she starts "to recover" memories The upcoming memories seem to go together with the rest of the symptoms. The Auto immune disorders are a physical problems one would not expect normally to be related to child abuse experiences
Same is for Fibromyalgia and the headaches. The list in both case is partial there is much more data in the EAS and about 95 and Mary i mention only what I found on this especially the description of the electricity I wanted to mention The similarity between the 95 description and the EAS is clear I find

RANDY NOBLIT " I mostly work with people who say that they were ritually abused and they are also dissociated. Some of them say that they think they are currently harassed by radio or similar technology, but some of them say there programmed to have this belief by their abuser group, whom they say used radio and radio-like devices during their abuse and programming. Some of them say that during their abuse and programming they were forced to watch virtual images while wearing headsets with goggles that projected these images.
THIS OVERLAP RADIO WAVES TO CONTROL VICTIMS




SIMILARITIES BETWEEN ALIEN ABDUCTEES AND SATANIC RITUAL ABUSE ARE PRETTY OBVIOUS AND DISCRIBED IN SOCIOLOGICAL STUDY
One of the few general studies but does not focus on specific things like diseases because this does not seem relevant
( SAME AGE AS THE GROUP I AM IN TOUCH WITH BY THE WAY )

Christopher D. Bader Associate Professor Sociology of Religion Criminology
Burleson 318B (254) 710-6238 Christopher_Bader@baylor.edu Education
•Ph.D., University of Washington (2002)
•M.A., Bowling Green State University (1995)
•B.A., The Evergreen State College (1991)
http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/ ... p?id=18953
CHRISTOPHER D. BADER
In the 1980s two different groups emerged that exhibited a strikingly similar combination of the quasi-religious and psychotherapeutic—UFO abductees and ritual-abuse survivors
In the mid-1980s an increasing number of support groups appeared that were centered around so-called UFO abductions. UFO abductees support groups attempt to help people recover repressed memories of victimization at the hands of extraterrestrials. Also in the mid-1980s an increasing number of therapists and support groups focusing on "ritual abuse" began seeking clients/members. Ritual-abuse support groups also attempt to recover repressed memories of past abuses. In this case, the abuse is believed to take place at the hands of secretive, underground, usually Satanic, cults.
Although much has been written about both these movements, little of this research has focused on the members themselves;
Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69).

As discussed above, there has been significant overlap between the increasing popularity of multiple personality disorder (now referred to as dissociative identity disorder) as a diagnosis and claims of ritual abuse (see, e.g., Brown 1986; Fraser 1990; Friesen 1991; Hector 1991; Ryder 1992). The survey of ritual-abuse survivors indicates that MPD is a part of the survivor
experience. Eighty-six percent of survivors reported that they have multiple personalities and the mean number of personalities reported was 100 (median = 50). Consistent with earlier surveys of ritual-abuse survivors, most (87.5 percent) were not aware of the ritual abuse, or of their numerous personalities, until they began therapy. Survivors reported many different reasons for entering therapy in the first place, such as bulimia and other eating disorders, marital problems, depression, and nightmares


SO HALF OF THE VICTIMS OF THIS KIND OF RECOVERED MEMORIES DESCRIBES REMOTE TECHNOLOGY NOWADAYS

THE BELIEVERS OF ALIENS WHO INVESTIGATED MORE THAN JUST THE MEMORIE RAPPORT HEALTH PROBLEMS
For Susan Clancy not relevant question so never investigated ….so went .unnoticed

ALIEN ABDUTIONS AUTO IMMUNTITY DESEASES .Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
http://www.maar.us/alien_agenda.html
Out of this group, another majority are experiencing massive trauma in conjunction with their abductions-- anything from being mind controlled with disaster images that are being forced into their minds by artificial means even being given a deadly disease for non cooperation. Many female abductees are reporting, autoimmune disorders like Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome as well as a sudden onset of female urinary tract infections and a host of female problems which eventually lead in some cases to hysterectomy.
http://www.alienlovebite.com/main.htm http://www.alienlovebite.com/love_bite.htm
"I believe that Dr. Karla Turner died prematurely as a result of an abduction-related reprisal for her boldness in speaking the truth. I personally know abductees and researchers who have been afflicted with a series of unfortunate "coincidences" following exposure to these darker truths. These reprisals included sudden divorces, love bite set-ups, health problems and even cancer
http://www.rense.com/ufo3/fliers32699.htm
ABDUCTIONS AND CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME BY MAX BURNS
Investigator Max Burns believes there may be a connection between "Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (M.E.)" generally known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the alien abduction scenario.

Deception half truths, Blurring the sharp picture as "camouflage" a fix pattern, mixing up present and past ": memories of CIA chemical brainwash experiments achieved with remote brainwash methods, both have same name "mind control", "mixing" of extremely developed remote technology with relatively old-fashioned one compared to it , like in "aliens" communicating by telepathy "ongoing" and "remotely", during "abductions" "portable" helmets and devices for telepathy, or make believe some to be implanted with a chip which does not look as if its on such a scale and when no chip is found it seems to confirm the victim is imagining everything The word "abduction" suggests a one time event, while in reality it is a life long experience

All this just a small part of the reasons for my conclusions with which i started
_ The tree different experiences are so similar they are probably the same thing
_ The recovered memory point of view cannot explain why some recovered memories are so "impossible" while i think that, all of them must or all false, or all true ... not some yes some no
_ The false memory theory cannot explain why such emotions are involved, why so similar testimonies came from people who totally don't know each otherAnd why all these things started in the 80 ties …
_ Non of both theories explains the connections with health problems like, auto-immune problems, thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and connective tissue diseases female problems, pains, sleeping problems, headaches
The symptoms (and also the age ) of remotely targeted individuals are precisely the same Considering the memories to be artificial and remotely induced, explains all the things consistently …


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Berichtdoor alice » 23 okt 2008, 16:05

Blueflame schreef:
willem_betz schreef:alice,
hebben die aliens bij jou ook zo'n verschrikkelijke chip ingeplant? Laat toch maar vlug Rx-foto's maken en dan verwijderen voor het te laat is!
groetjes

Eigenlijk is dat nu net het punt. Alice beweert dat dat allemaal kan ZONDER dat er een chip wordt ingeplant. Dus gewoon 'remote programming' zeg maar. Van op afstand, zonder chip, kunnen mensen 'bestraald' worden door 'hen(*)', zodat ze dingen gaan horen, dingen gaan zien, dingen gaan voelen; verplicht worden ( of juist verboden ) om bepaalde handelingen te doen. En die 'dingen' zijn dus welbepaalde dingen : welbepaalde woorden, welbepaalde beelden etc.

Dat Alice dan maar eens met een wetenschappelijk document aantoont dat dit kan. Ik zeg dat dit niet kan, want was het wel zo, dan had ik geen radio meer nodig.

(*) Die hen is een zo geheim genoodschap, dat de leden ervan zelf niet weten dat ze tot die 'hen' behoren. Zo geheim is het allemaal. Tralalie tralala.

Mvg.


kijk he blue flame in 1984 is er al beschreven in beckers body electrics dat van wat bekend is publiek , er al in de jaren 60 mogelijk was het hele brein te beingvloeden zonder chip en is beschreven door Ross Adey voor zover ik weet
zijn vaststellingen over die bepaalde "versterfrequenties meer bepaald"
ik moet niks zitten bewijzen , ik probeer iemand aan het denken te zetten wat er gaande is , omdat het de wereld incluis u aanbelangt

GLOBALE PATRONEN (scherpe stijging in klachten wereldwijd in 2000)
WIJST OP EEN WERELDWIJD PROBLEEM MAAR DAT LIJKT GE DUS MAAR NIET TE HOREN EN DAS EEN GROTE FOUT die helaas heel menselijk is ....daar maakt het systeem dankbaar gebruik van ...

hier uit beckers body electrics
From The Body Electric, 1985 -

Chapter 15
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
by Dr. Robert Becker

Invisible Warfare
The Soviets have led the way in learning about the risks of electropollution, and, as we have seen, they've apparently been the first to harness those dangers for malicious intent. However, the spectrum of potential weapons extends far beyond the limits of the Moscow signal, and Americans have been actively exploring some of them for many years. Most or all of the following EMR effects can be scaled up or down for use against individuals or whole crowds and armies:
The crudest of these armaments would be a sort of electromagnetic flamethrower with a greater range than chemical types. Dogs were cooked to death in experiments at the Naval Medical Research Institute as long ago as 1955, and high-power transmitters using short UHF wavelengths can severely burn exposed skin in seconds.
Electrmagnetic pulse (EMP) is a term designating the immensely powerful, near-instantaneous surge of electromagnetic energy produced by a nuclear explosion. It was first discovered in the late 1960s. The EMP from one detonation a few thousand miles above the earth would destroy all electrical systems throughout an entire continent. In the early 1970s new types of EMR generators emitting power levels ten or twenty times higher than ever before were developed in an effort to simulate EMP and help devise communications systems shielded from it. In 1973 these transmitters were described in an invitation-only seminar at the Naval Weapons Laboratory in Dahlgren, Virginia, where their use for antipersonnel and anti-ballistic-missle energy beams were discussed. No information about their subsequent development has since been made public, and the difficulties of long-range missle tracking argue that ABM beams haven't yet become feasible, but there are no such difficulties in the way of EMR beam weapons for use against unshielded people.
At some UHF power densities there's an insidious moth-to-the flame allurement, which would increase such a weapon's effectiveness. As discoverer Sol Michaelson described it in 1958, each of the dogs used in his experiments "began to struggle for release from the sling," showing "considerable agitation and muscular activity," yet "for some reason the animal continues to face the horn." Perhaps as part of the same effect, UHF beams can also induce muscular weakness and lethargy. In Soviet experiments with rats in 1960, five minutes of exposure to 100,000 microwatts reduced swimming time in an endurance test from sixty minutes to six.
Allen Frey's discovery that certain pulsed microwave beams increased the permeability of the blood-brain barrier could be turned into a supplemental weapon to enhance the effects of drugs, bacteria, or poisons.
The calcium-outflow windows discovered by Ross Adey could be used to interfere with the functioning of the entire brain.
In the early 1960s Frey found that when microwaves of 300 to 3,000 megahertz were pulsed at specific rates, humans (even deaf people) could "hear" them. The beam caused a booming, hissing, clicking, or buzzing, depending on the exact frequency and pulse rate, and the sound seemed to come from just behind the head.
At first Frey was ridiculed for this announcement, just like many radar technicians who'd been told they were crazy for hearing certain radar beams. Later work has shown that the microwaves are sensed somewhere in the temporal region just above and slightly in front of the ears. The phenomenon apparently results from pressure waves set up in brain tissue, some of which activate the sound receptors of the inner ear via bone conduction, while others directly stimulate nerve cells inthe auditory pathways. Experiments on rats have shown that a strong signal can generate a sound pressure of 120 decibels, or approximately the level near a jet engine at takeoff.
Obviously such a beam could cause humans severe pain and prevent all voice communication. that the same effect can be used more subtly was demonstrated in 1973 by Dr. Joseph C. Sharp of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research. Sharp, serving as a test subject himself, heard and understood spoken words delivered to him in an echo-free isolation chamber via a pulsed-microwave audiogram (an analog of the word's sound vibrations) beamed into his brain. Such a device has obvious applications in covert operations designed to drive a target crazy with "voices" or deliver undetectable instructions to a programmed assassin. There are also indications that other pulsed frequencies cause similiar pressure waves in other tissues, which could disrupt various metabolic processes. A group under R.G. Olsen and J.D. Grissett at the Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory in Pensacola has already demonstrated such effects in simulated muscle tissue and has a continuing contract to find beams effective against human tissues.
In the 1960s Frey also reported that he could speed up, slow down, or stop isolated frog hearts by synchronizing the pulse rate of a microwave beam with the beat of the heart itself. Similiar results have been obtained using live frogs, indicating that it's technically feasible to produce heart attacks with a ray designed to penetrate the human chest.
In addition to the methods of damaging or killing people with EMR, there are several ways of controlling their behavior. Ross Adey and his colleagues have shown that microwaves modulated in various ways can force specific electrical patterns upon parts of the brain. Working with cats they found that brain waves appearing with conditioned responses could be selectively enhanced by shaping the microwaves with a rhythmic variation in amplitude (height) corresponding to EEG frequencies. For example, a 3-hertz modulation decreased 10-hertz alpha waves in one part of the animal's brain and reinforced 14-hertz beta waves in another location.
Some radar can find a fly a kilometer away or track a human at twenty-five miles, and several researchers have suggested that focused EMR beams of such accuracy could bend the mind much like electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB) through wires. We know of ESB's potential for mindcontrol largely through the work of Jos Delgado. One signal provoked a cat to lick its fur, then continue compulsively licking the floor and bars of its cage. A signal designed to stimulate a portion of a monkey's thalamus, a major midbrain center for integrating muscle movements, triggered a complex reaction: The monkey walked to one side of the cage, then the other, then climbed to the rear ceiling, then back down. The animal performed this same activity as many times as it was stimulated with the signal, up to sixty times an hour, but not blindly - the creature still was able to avoid obstacles and threats from the dominant male while carrying out the electrical imperative. Another type of signal has made monkeys turn their heads, or smile, no matter what else they were doing, up to twenty thousand times in two weeks. As Delgado concluded, "The animals looked like electronic toys."
Even instincts and emotions can be changed: In one test a mother giving continuous care toher baby suddenly pushed the infant away whenever the signal was given. Approach-avoidance conditioning can be achieved for any action simply by stimulating the pleasure and pain centers in an animal's or person's limbic system.
Eventual monitoring of evoked potentials from the EEG, combined with radio- frequency and microwave broadcasts designed to produce specific thoughts or moods, such as compliance and complacency, promises a method of mind control that poses immense danger to all societies - tyranny without terror. Scientists involved in EEG research all say the ability is still years away, but for all we could _sense_ of it, it could be happening right now. Conspiracy theories aside, the hypnotic familiarity of TV and radio, combined with the biological effects of their broadcast beams, may already constitute a similiar force for mass standardization, whether by design or not.
The potential dangers of televised lethargy are no yawning matter. It's well known that relaxed attention to any mildly involving stimulus, such as a movie or TV program, produces a hypnoid state, in which the mind becomes especially receptive to suggestion. Other inducers of hypmoid states include light sleep, daydreams, or short periods of time spent waiting for some predetermined signal or action, such as a traffic light.
The Central Intelligence Agency funded research on electromagnetic mind control at least as early as 1960, when the notorious MKULTRA program, mostly concerned with hypnosis and psychedelic drugs, in- cluded money for adapting bioelectric sensing methods(at that time primarily the EEG) to surveillance and interrogation,as well as for finding "techniques of activation of the human organism by remote electronic means." In testimony before the Senate Sub-committee on Health and Scientific Research on September 21, 1977, MKULTRA director Dr. Sydney Gottlieb recalled: "There was a running interest in what effects people's standing in the field of radio energy have, and it could easily have been that somewhere in the many projects someone was trying to see if you could hypnotize somebody easier if he was standing in a radio beam."
Hypnotists often use a strobe light flashing at alpha-wave frequencies to ease the glide into a trance. It seems forover thirty years the Communist bloc nations have been using an ELF wave form to do the same thing undetectably and perhaps more effectively. Ross Adey recently lost most of his government grants and has become a bit more loquacious about the military and intelligence uses of EMR. In 1983 he organized a public meeting at the Loma Linda VA hospital and released photos and information concerning a Russian Lida machine. This was a small transmitter that emitted 10-hertz waves for tranquilization and enhancement of suggestibility. The most interesting part was that the box had an ancient vacuum-tube design, and a man who'd been a POW in Korea reported that similiar devices had been used there during interrogation.
American interest in the hypnosis-EMR interaction was still strong as of 1974, when a research plan was filed to develop useful techniques in human volunteers. The experimenter, J.F. Schapitz, stated: "In this investigation it will be shown that the spoken word of the hypnotist may also be conveyed by modulated electromagnetic energy directly into the subconscious parts of the human brain--i.e., without employing any technical devices for receiving or transcoding the messages and without the person exposed to such influence having a chance to control the information input consciously." As a preliminary test of the general concept, Schapitz proposed recording the brain waves induced by specific drugs, then modulating them onto a microwave beam and feeding them back into an undrugged person's brain to see if the same state of consciousness could be produced by the beam alone.
Schapitz's main protocol consisted of four experiments. In the first, subjects would be given a test of a hundred questions, ranging from easy to technical, so they all would know some but not all of the answers. Later, while in hypnoid states and not knowing they were being irradiated, these people would be subjected to information beams suggesting answers for some of hte items they'd left blank, amnesia for some of their correct answers, and memory falsification for other correct answers. A new test would check the results two weeks later.
The second experiment was to be the implanting of hypnotic suggestions for simple acts, like leaving the lab to buy some particular item, which were to be triggered by a suggested time, spoken word, or sight. Subjects were to be interviewed later. "It may be expected,: Schapitz wrote, "that they rationalize their behavior and consider it to be undertaken out of their own free will."
In a third test the subjects were to be given two personality tests. Then different responses to certain questions would be repeatedly suggested, and nonpathological personality changes would also be suggested, both to be evaluated by new testing in a month. In some cases the subjects were to be prehypnotized into talking in their sleep, so the microwave programmer could gear the commands to thoughts already in the brain. Finally, attempts would be made to produce the standard tests of deep hypnotic trance, such as muscular rigidity, by microwave beams alone.
Naturally, since this information was voluntarily released via the Freedom of Information Act, it must be taken with a pillar of salt. The results haven't been made public, so the work may have been inconclusive, and the plans may have been released to convince the Soviets and our own public that American mind-control capabilities are greater than they actually are. On the other hand, the actualities may be so far ahead of this research plan that it was tame enough to release in satisfying FOIA requirements.
How many of the EMR weapons possibilities have actually been developed and\or used? Those not privy to classified information have no way of knowing. There are plenty of rumors. Boris Spassky claimed he'd lost the world chess championship to Bobby Fischer because he was being bombarded with confusion rays. I recall hearing about one secret American experiment in which a sceintist was supposedly set up with invitations to three conferences to give the same presentation each time. The first one went fine, but at the last two he was irradiated with ELF waves, reportedly to induce Adey's calcium efflux, and he became confused and ineffective.
Another FOIA release from the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1976 may be revealing. Prepared by Ronald L. Adams and E.A. Williams of Battelle Columbus Laboratories, it'sentitled "Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Radiation (Radiowaves and Microwaves), Eurasian Communist Countries." the pages released merely recount Allen Frey's discoveries without mentioning his name, implying instead that only the Reds would be so dastardly as to investigate such things for use as weapons. Immediately after mention of the blood-brain barrier leak phenomenon, a paragraph was deleted, followed by the tantalizing sentence, "The above study is recommended reading material for those consumers who have an interest in the application of microwave energy to weapons." Even without this document, considering the relentless pace of arms development, we would have to be very naive to assume that the United States has no electromagnetic arsenal.
The Soviets may already be using theirs, however, on a scale far beyond that of the Moscow Signal. During the U.S. bicentennial celebration of July 4, 1976, a new radio signals was heard throughout the world. It has remained on the air more or less continuously ever since. Varying up and down through the frequencies between 3.26 and 17.54 megahertz, it is pulse-modulated at a rate of several times a second, so it sounds like a buzz saw or woodpecker. It was soon traced to an enormous transmitter near Kiev in the Soviet Ukraine.
The signal is so strong it drowns out anything else on its wavelength. When it first appeared,the UN International Telecommunications Union protested because it interfered with several communications channels, including the emergency frequencies for aircraft on transoceanic flights. Now the woodpecker leaves "holes"; it skips the crucial frequencies as it moves up and down the spectrum. The signal is maintained at enormous expense from a current total of seven nations, the seven most powerful radio transmitters in the world.
Within a year or two after the woodpecker began tapping, there were persistent complaints of unaccountable symptoms from people in several cities of the United States and Canada, primarily Eugene, Oregon. The sensations - pressure and pain in the head, anxiety, fatigue, insomnia, lack of coordination, and numbness, accompanied by a high-pitched ringing in the ears - were characteristic of strong radio-frequency or microwave irradiation. In Oregon, between Eugene and Corvallis, a powerful radio signal centering on 4.75 megahertz was monitored, at higher levels in the air than on the ground. Several unsatisfactory theories were advanced, including emanations from winter-damaged power lines, but most engineers who studied the signal concluded that it was a manifestation of the woodpecker. The idea was advanced that it was being directed to Oregon by a Tesla magnifying transmitter. This apparatus, devised by Nikola Tesla during his turn-of-the-century experiments on wireless global power transmission at a laboratory near Pikes Peak, hasn't been much studied in the West. It reportedly enables atransmitter to beam a radio signal _through_ the earth to any desired point on its surface, while maintaining or even increasing the signal's power as it emerges. Paul Brodeur has suggested that, since the TRW company once proposed a Navy ELF communications system using an existing 850-mile power line that ended in Oregon, the Eugene phenomenon might have been the interaction between a Navy broadcast and Soviet jamming.
Be that as it may, the woodpecker continues in operation, and there are several unsettling possibilities as to its main purpose. A former chief of naval research has privately discounted the idea that it's directed against the U.S.population. However, Robert Beck, a Los Angeles physicist who regularly serves as a DOD consultant, toldme that the signal has a threefold purpose. He said it acts as a crude over-the-horizon radar that would pick up a massive first strike of U.S. missles if Soviet spy satellites and other detectors were knocked out. Second, the signal's modulations are an ELF medium for communicating with submarines underwater. Third, he claimed the signal has a biological by-product about whichhe promised further information. Of course, I haven't been able to contact him since.
Several educated guesses can be made, however. Adey's research suggests that the best way to get an ELF signal into an animal is to make it a pulse modulation of a high-frequency radio signal. That's exactly what the woodpecker is. Within its frequency range, it could be beamed to any part ofthe world, and it would be picked up and reradiated by the power supply grid at its destination.
Raymond Damadian has theorized that the woodpecker signal is designed to induce nuclear magnetic resonance in human tissues. Damadian, a radiologist at Brooklyn's Downstate Medical Center, patented the first NMR scanner, a device that gives an image of internal organs similiar to CAT scanners but using magnetic fields rather than nuclear radiation. As mentioned earlier in this chapter, NMR could greatly magnify the metabolic interference of electropollution or EMR weapons. Maria Reichmanis calculated the pulse frequency that would be required to do this with a radio signal in the woodpecker's range, and she came up with a band centered on the same old alpha rhythm of 10 hertz. And in fact, the signal's pulse is genrally about that rate, although it is often a two-part modulation of 4 + 6, 7 + 3, and so on. The available evidence, then, suggests that the Russian woodpecker is a multipurpose radiation that combines a submarine link with an experimental attack on the American people. It may be intended to increase cancer rates, interfere with decision-making ability, and/or sow confusion and irritation. It may be succeeding.
I keep hearing persistent rumors of American transmitters set up to try to nullify the Russians' signal or to affect their people in a similiar way. In 1978, Stefan Rednip, an American reporter living in England, claimed access to purloined CIA documents proving the existence of a program called Operation Pique, which included bouncing radio signals off the ionosphere to affect the mental functions of peoplein selected areas, including Eastern European nuclear installations.
The whole business sounds too much like an undeclared electrmagnetic war. however, there are persistent complaints that the American effort is being hampered in a strange way. Shortly after the rigged National Academy of Sciences report on Project Seafarer, for example, the Navy sent a delegation to a meeting at the National Security Agency to complain about an alleged "zap gap" between the United States and the USSR, and to ask other delegates to push for more research money for turning nonthermal EMR effects into weapons. According to one of my Navy contacts, the NSA sent several "experts" who had never done any research on EMR and who firmly advised the Navy to abandon its program. Later he voiced the same suspicions I'd already heard from others: Given the allegedly vigorous Soviet electroweapons research program and the underfunding of ours, he concluded that there is a mole highly placed in the American military science establishment, perhaps in the NSA itself, who is preventing us from acquiring any clear competence in this field.
Unfortunately, my source, having served as a hatchet man for defunding research on the environmental dangers of electropollution, isn't exactly reliable. Complaints of a mole could easily be a blind for a large and intense U.S. EMR weapons program. That there's more going on than meets the eye is clear from my last communication with Dietrich Beischer. In 1977 the Erie Magnetics COmpany of Buffalo, New York, sponsored a small private conference, and Beischer and I both planned to attend. Just before the meeting, I got acall from him. With no preamble or explanation, he blurted out: "I'm at a pay phone. I can't talk long. They are watching me. I can't come to the meeting or ever communicate with you again. I'm sorry. You've been a good friend. Good-bye." Soon afterward I called his office at Pensacola and was told, "I'm sorry, there is no one here by that name," just as in the movies. A guy who had done important research there for decades just disappeared.
The crucial point to me is that both sides may be embarking on hostilities whose consequences for the whole biosphere no one can yet foresee. Even if the Soviets have begun an electrmagnetic war and we're totally unprepared to fight back, I doubt that a simple buildup and retaliation are the best course for our own survival.
The extent of the danger can be dramatized best by considering one last potential weapon. Around 1900, Nikola Tesla theorized that ELF and VLF radiation could enter the magnetosphere, the magnetic field in space around the earth, and change its structure. He has recently been proven right.
The magnetosphere and it Van Allen belts of trapped particles produce many kinds of EMR. SInce they were initially studied through audio amplifiers, the first kinds to be discovered, around 1920, were given fanciful names like whistlers, dawn chorus, and lion roars. Many of them result from VLF waves produced by lightning, which bounce back and forth from pole to pole along "magnetic ducts" in the magnetosphere. This resonance amplifies the original VLF waves enormously.
Satellite measurements have proven that artificial energies from power lines are similarly amplified high above the earth, a phenomenon known as power-line harmonic resonance (PLHR). Radio and microwave energy also resonantes in the magnetosphere. This amplified energy interacts with the particles in the Van Allen belts, producing heat, light, X-rays, and, most important, a "fallout" of charged particles that serve as nuclei for raindrops.
Recent work with sounding rockets has matched specific areas of such ion precipitation with the energy from specific radio stations, and established that the sifting down of charged particles generally occurs east of the EMR source, following the general eastward drift of weather patterns. In 1983, measurements from the Ariel 3 and 4 weather satellites showed that the enormous amount of PLHR over North America had created a permanent duct from the magnetosphere down into the upper air, resulting in a continuous release of ions and energy over the whole continent. In presenting this data at the March 1983 Symposium on Electromagnetic Compatibility in Zurich, K. Bullough reminded the audience that thunderstorms have been 25 percent more frequent over North America between 1930 and 1975 than they were from 1900 to 1930, and suggested that the increased energy levels in the upper atmosphere were responsible.
Since the mid-1970s there has been a dramatic increase in flooding, drought, and attendant hardships due to inconsistent, anomolous weather patterns. It appears likely that these have been caused in part by electropollution and perhaps enhanced, whether deliberately or not, by the Soviet woodpecker signal. It now seems feasible to induce catastrophic climate change over a target country, and even without such weather warfare, continued expansion of the electrical power system threatens the viability of all life on earth
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Berichtdoor willem_betz » 23 okt 2008, 16:22

Nu begrijp ik waarom het klimaat opwarmt en waarom sommige mensen beginnen flippen: het Russisch woodpecker signaal beïnvloedt dat alles! 8)
Geloof je alle nonsens, of sommige niet? Hoe maak je het onderscheid?
De hevigste missionarissen en propagandisten voor kwakzalvers zijn vaak hun slachtoffers zelf.
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willem_betz schreef:alice,
hebben die aliens bij jou ook zo'n verschrikkelijke chip ingeplant? Laat toch maar vlug Rx-foto's maken en dan verwijderen voor het te laat is!
groetjes


geen chip, geen aliens ook niet helaas , alies is één van de covers

uit body electrics becker (hele tekst onderaan)

Ross Adey recently lost most of his government grants and has become a bit more loquacious about the military and intelligence uses of EMR. In 1983 he organized a public meeting at the Loma Linda VA hospital and released photos and information concerning a Russian Lida machine. This was a small transmitter that emitted 10-hertz waves for tranquilization and enhancement of suggestibility. The most interesting part was that the box had an ancient vacuum-tube design, and a man who'd been a POW in Korea reported that similiar devices had been used there during interrogation.
American interest in the hypnosis-EMR interaction was still strong as of 1974, when a research plan was filed to develop useful techniques in human volunteers. The experimenter, J.F. Schapitz, stated: "In this investigation it will be shown that the spoken word of the hypnotist may also be conveyed by modulated electromagnetic energy directly into the subconscious parts of the human brain--i.e., without employing any technical devices for receiving or transcoding the messages and without the person exposed to such influence having a chance to control the information input consciously."

over ross adey specifiek

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/s ... ssadey.htm
IN MEMORIAM
William Ross Adey, M.D.
Professor of Anatomy and Physiology
Los Angeles
1922–2004
Ross Adey's career in medical science spanned 50 years and brought him international repute; his specific knowledge of the effects of electromagnetic fields on biological tissues earned world renown.

After medical school, he was occupied by clinical duties at the Royal Adelaide Hospital and aboard his Royal Australian naval ship. Though this seems an interlude submerged by later laboratory pursuits, Adey was always quick to recognize implications and applications for patient care. Indeed, when the challenge arose, he passed the California Boards for medical licensure 30 years after the navy experience, a feat bordering on thaumaturgy and a tribute to a prodigious memory. He maintained the license to practice for the rest of his life.



On discharge from the navy, he resumed his formal studies culminating in his M.D., also conferred by the University of Adelaide, and contributed to investigations in chronic myopathy and motor mechanisms in anuran amphibians. These and other endeavors, chiefly limbic system researches, led to coveted Nuffield and Royal Society Fellowships at Oxford wherein reigned the great comparative anatomist and primate brain expert, Wilfrid Le Gros Clark; surely another auspicious conjunction of stars. Adey continued his researches in limbic structure and function with extension to diencephalic pathways. It has been suggested that this early work presaged future international status as an anatomist, but this omnivorous mind could not be contained by a single discipline. Nevertheless, the inherent classicism remained undiminished; and his expositions, learned and lucid, formal and extemporaneous, excited the admiration of cognescenti, resuscitated moribund medical students already stricken by the advertised lethality of neuroanatomy, and remain firmly anchored in the memory of fortunate auditors.



Armored thus with an encyclopedic traditional knowledge of structure, a mastery of electronics, and visionary conceptions of brain function that have reached at least into the 21st century, Adey arrived a UCLA in 1957 equipped to mount a comprehensive assault on brain mysteries extending from membrane biophysics to complex behavior in man. He founded and directed laboratories here and at the Jerry L. Pettis Veterans Administration Hospital (which he moved to in 1977) that attracted intramural and international collaborators. A veritable cascade of articles issued forth which contained his personal oeuvre of more than 400 publications. Themes that focused international interest include:



Original measurements of brain tissue impedance and other electrical correlates of attention, learning, and memory with limbic system emphasis.
Cell membrane organization and intercellular communication.
Electromagnetic field interactions with biological tissues.
Especially provocative and revolutionary were his concepts suggestive of subthermal consequences, and the brain tissues’ sensitivity to weak intrinsic and environmental fields with biochemical, physiological, and behavioral effects induced by gradients orders of magnitude below those associated with classic synaptic excitation.

With contributions to all phases of electroencephalography from the design of surface and invasive electrodes to signal analysis, he was the first to use general purpose digital computers in the analysis of the EEG with the production of brain maps of electrical activity and the first normative library of such maps. Brain mapping now complements visual analysis in community and university EEG laboratories.

Radiotelemetry permits the monitoring of freely moving subjects and patients in various environs. Acquisition of seizure EEG data paramount in selection of patients for neurosurgical correction is a nonpareil technique widely employed in epilepsy centers.

Pioneering investigations in aerospace medicine demonstrated fragmentation of sleep states, altered circadian rhythms, and shifting fluid balance in earth-orbital flight.

http://www.bioelectromagnetics.org/memorial.php?do=view&id=27
His first publication, based on research conducted for his M.D. degree (1949, the University of Adelaide) was an electromyographic study of a type of chronic myopathy. The blending of electronics and scientific research that would mark his career gave other early fruit with construction of the first Australian six-channel recorder of brain electrical signals, which was put to use for clinical research on epileptic children and for laboratory studies. His second publication, on the motor mechanisms in the brain of anurans, was followed by a stream of neuranatomical studies in species ranging from earthworms to Australian marsupials and monkeys.

Upon receiving the prestigious Nuffield Foundation Fellowship in Medicine in 1950, Adey traveled to the University of Oxford for postgraduate research on limbic system structural anatomy and its pathways to the diencephalon. The return trip from England to Adelaide included a stopover in Los Angeles, which led, three years later, to the start of a 23-year-long association with UCLA Medical School, where he was Professor of Anatomy and Physiology for 20 years. Even today, former students, now senior practitioners and researchers, reflect with awe on the clarity and comprehension evident in Adey’s lectures in neuroanatomy. His lectures showed mastery of neuroanatomical detail and complexity, neuroembryology, and higher brain functions—all securely held in memory and delivered in sculpted flowing prose. Adey and his colleagues at UCLA and the UCLA Brain Research Institute made pioneering advances in the neuroanatomy of the limbic system and its behavioral and pathological correlates, measurements of the electrical properties of brain tissue, spectral analysis of EEG, and the mechanisms of memory.

Driven by the need to obtain the physiological knowledge required to fulfill President Kennedy’s commitment to put a man on the moon in the 1960s, Adey, as Director of the Space Biology Laboratory (1961 to 1974) at the UCLA Brain Research Institute, conducted animal and human research. His laboratory developed the technology for biotelemetry from space that allowed EEG recordings from astronauts Lovell and Borman showing the effects of weightlessness on brain function.

Driven by the idea that higher brain functions needed a distributed information system that might be carried by the brain’s own electrical activity, Adey and colleagues at the the UCLA Laboratory of Environmental Neurobiology, including Suzanne Bawin, and Rochelle Gavalas-Medici, began to study whether it might be possible to use modulated radiofrequency fields as a means to probe brain function. In his 2002 interview, Adey recalled the question that led to the first studies with amplitude-modulated radiofrequency fields. If we made a radio signal look like a brain wave, would it influence behavior? We showed in cats very clearly, and monkeys to some extent, that you could make the brain wave pattern follow the modulation on the radio signal.

Drawing on the nonthermal nature of behavioral, in vivo, and in vitro studies on the nervous system that sprang from his laboratory, Adey took his quest beyond the fabric of chemical reactions to delve into the physical organization of biological tissue that could underpin responses to very low energy levels. In this phase, conducted over a period of more than 25 years at the Jerry L. Pettis Memorial Veterans Medical Center (Loma Linda, California), Loma Linda University, and the University of California, Riverside, he and his colleagues addressed the effects of extremely low frequency electric and magnetic fields, and radio waves of the type used for mobile telephony. Forward-looking and excited by science until his last days, he took delight in the recent discovery by European researchers of tunneling nanotubules because they made manifest at the ultrastructural level further evidence for a general physical plan for varieties of intercellular communication.
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Berichtdoor alice » 23 okt 2008, 16:34

willem_betz schreef:Nu begrijp ik waarom het klimaat opwarmt en waarom sommige mensen beginnen flippen: het Russisch woodpecker signaal beïnvloedt dat alles! 8)

doe toch nie zo belachelijk , tis nie omdat ge het belachelijk vindt , omdat ge er niks over weet, dat het ook belachelijk is

belachelijk is u niks afvragen
echt zunne , slimmerik spelen , ze hebben ons allemaal zo goed liggen
globale patronen , zijn een globaal probleem , en doe nie onozel
ben ir nie in de stemming voor ...

de duitsers haben het ook nieg gewust , zo klinkt ge een beetje
das ook de bedoeling natuurlijk :shock:
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Berichtdoor Timmber » 23 okt 2008, 18:19

alice schreef:
willem_betz schreef:Nu begrijp ik waarom het klimaat opwarmt en waarom sommige mensen beginnen flippen: het Russisch woodpecker signaal beïnvloedt dat alles! 8)

doe toch nie zo belachelijk , tis nie omdat ge het belachelijk vindt , omdat ge er niks over weet, dat het ook belachelijk is

belachelijk is u niks afvragen
echt zunne , slimmerik spelen , ze hebben ons allemaal zo goed liggen
globale patronen , zijn een globaal probleem , en doe nie onozel
ben ir nie in de stemming voor ...

de duitsers haben het ook nieg gewust , zo klinkt ge een beetje
das ook de bedoeling natuurlijk :shock:


Alice, wij zitten hier met zijn allen in het complot, nogal wiedes dat we proberen u van de waarheid vandaan te houden. Nee, serieus nu, er is geen complot, alleen uw en vele anderen hun verbeelding is op hol geslagen, meer is er niet aan de hand. Het ligt in de aard van de mens om verbanden te zien, ook daar waar er geen zijn.
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Berichtdoor Piet5 » 23 okt 2008, 19:57

Dat Adey een groot wetenschapper geweest is, maar als het wetenschappelijk begint te worden i.v.m. zijn opvatting over intercellulaire communicatie stoppen de resultaten van zijn onderzoek daarnaar.
Dat cellen intercellair communiceren is bekend van zenuwimpulsen, die tot bewegingen leiden, van synapsen en dat is allemaal onderzocht of nog in onderzoek. Wat de spirituele intercellulaire communicatie betreft liggen er wegen open om die vragen van dr. Adey te onderzoeken Als dat gebeurd is hoop ik het resultaat ervan te zien, Alice.
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Berichtdoor alice » 23 okt 2008, 20:16

Timmber schreef:
alice schreef:
willem_betz schreef:Nu begrijp ik waarom het klimaat opwarmt en waarom sommige mensen beginnen flippen: het Russisch woodpecker signaal beïnvloedt dat alles! 8)

doe toch nie zo belachelijk , tis nie omdat ge het belachelijk vindt , omdat ge er niks over weet, dat het ook belachelijk is

belachelijk is u niks afvragen
echt zunne , slimmerik spelen , ze hebben ons allemaal zo goed liggen
globale patronen , zijn een globaal probleem , en doe nie onozel
ben ir nie in de stemming voor ...

de duitsers haben het ook nieg gewust , zo klinkt ge een beetje
das ook de bedoeling natuurlijk :shock:


Alice, wij zitten hier met zijn allen in het complot, nogal wiedes dat we proberen u van de waarheid vandaan te houden. Nee, serieus nu, er is geen complot, alleen uw en vele anderen hun verbeelding is op hol geslagen, meer is er niet aan de hand. Het ligt in de aard van de mens om verbanden te zien, ook daar waar er geen zijn.


Nee ik beweer niet dat gulle in t komplot zit ..
het is gewoon zo gedaan dat niemand het gelooft , het is natuurlijk ook zo dat als iemand iets niet verwacht , het niet kent , het ook niet ziet , en ook de verbanden er tussen niet ...das al

ik herhaal, (de" honderdste keer) dat vanaf precies 2000 wereldwijd de incidentie (aantal nieuwe gevallen per perriode) is gestegen van mensen die melden hier van slachtoffer te zijn

dit is duidelijk te controleren, en ze KUNNEN ZICH NIKS VERBEELDEN OMDAT DE ENIGE VRAAG DIE MEN HEN STELLEN KAN IS WELK JAAR HET BEGON

INDIEN MEN DEZE RESULTATEN NAAST ELKAAR LEGT (konden het niet afspreken tis wereld wijd! !!!!! en onafhankelijk van elkaar ) ziet men DUIDELIJK EN ONDUBBELZINNIG DE TOENAME IN 2000 DOOR DAT ER VEEL MEER VAN AF 2000 JAAR NA JAAR MELDEN ALS BEGIN JAAR DAN VOOR 2000

VERSTAAT GE DAT HEEL PRECIES??? SNAPT GE DAT DAT TOEVAL UITSLUIT ??? SNAPT GE DAT GE DAT KUNT NAZIEN OP ENKELE DAGEN TIJD ???? DOE HET DAN AUB ..........

het is een GLOBAAL STATISTISCH PATROON

IDEM PATROON IN MISTERIE ZELFMOORDEN MOMENTEEL IN USA VANAF 1999 BIJ MIDDELBARE LEEFTIJD !! IDEM

IDEM TOENAME VAN HERWONNEN HERINERINGEN VAN ALLERLEI ONZIN SATANISCH MISBRUIK ECT

SNAP NU EENS DAT DIT MET ONZIN IS VERMENGD OM ONZIN TE LIJKEN ;;;
AL CONCLUDEREN DIE THERAPEUTEN ONTERECHT DAT HET OM ECHTE HERINNNERINGEN GAAT TOCH ZIJN HUN VASTSTELLEN JUIST
DE SYMTOMEN DE CIJFERS ENZ KIJK DAT NA AUB KIJK DAT NA EN GE ZULT HET ZIEN

ben er doodmoe van ....iedereen discusieert NIEMAND KOMT OP HET IDEE HET NA TE KIJKEN

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Berichtdoor Piet5 » 23 okt 2008, 21:22

Wat ik ervan begrijp is dat je als Alice Monika heet, je erkent dat zin en onzin van wat je schrijft door elkaar heen lopen, de slachtoffermeldingen niet corresponderen met de bewijslast dat men echt slachtoffer ergens van is, men voelt zich slachtoffer, maar hoeveel processen-verbaal zijn er bekend en wie of wat is er ooit gedagvaard op grond van aangifte door zo'n slachtoffer?
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Berichtdoor Enigma » 24 okt 2008, 01:46

Alice zou je hier nog op willen reageren met een inhoudelijke persoonlijke visie, mening ?

Ik schreef eerder;

Laten we er voor het gemak vanuit gaan dat de verbanden die jij, en anderen menen te zien en als feitelijke realiteit beschouwen, correct zijn. Wat hebben we daar dan aan? Wat schiet ik en met mij velen die chronisch ziek door de in dit verband genoemde klachten zijn, al dan niet met naar boven gehaalde onderdrukte herinneringen aan…….., op met deze wetenschap. Nu ben ik dus volgens jouw visie ziek gemaakt door een mij onbekende macht met een mij onbekend doel, en dan, ........helpt mij dat om te genezen, helpt mij dat om de eventuele valse herinneringen niet meer te hebben, wordt ik daar kortom gelukkiger van? Ben ik beter af met de wetenschap dat er ergens een stel machtsgeile hufters zijn die mij dit hebben aangedaan en nog dagelijks aandoen? Veranderd die wetenschap ook maar iets aan mijn situatie, geeft het uitzicht op verbetering?

Nee dus, als het al waar zou zijn dan nog heb ik daar niets aan, ik sta immers tegenover een bijzonder slimme en verborgen vijand die niet te bestrijden is en als ik dit voor waar aan zou nemen is de kans groot dat ik van frustratie en machteloze woede hartstikke depressief erbij zou worden. Voor degene die al labiel is en de psychisch zwakkeren is zo een wetenschap met alle daaruit voortvloeiende emoties voldoende om richting opname in de psychiatrie te belanden.


Het is me duidelijk dat je het heeeeeeeeel erg belangrijk vind deze boodschap te verspreiden maar waarom ? Wat beweegd je zoveel energie te stoppen in het uitleggen verklaren van dit inzicht en deze kennis? Wat is je doel en wat denk je, hoop je dat het op zal leveren?

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Berichtdoor alice » 24 okt 2008, 05:09

Enigma schreef:Alice zou je hier nog op willen reageren met een inhoudelijke persoonlijke visie, mening ?


Het is me duidelijk dat je het heeeeeeeeel erg belangrijk vind deze boodschap te verspreiden maar waarom ? Wat beweegd je zoveel energie te stoppen in het uitleggen verklaren van dit inzicht en deze kennis? Wat is je doel en wat denk je, hoop je dat het op zal leveren?

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Hoi , dat wil ik gerust, inderdaad, goed gezien, dat ik het heeeeeeeel belangrijk vind om de boodschap te verspreiden , heeeel belangrijk ...juist , waarom zou iemand dat zo belangrijk vinden?
Denk eens na, over het voorbeeld dat je geeft waarin je zegt "wat heeft iemand eraan om het te weten? je kan toch niks doen ect ect , juist strikt rationeel is dat heel heel jiust .

Nu het andere geval, het overkomt je, je beseft dat je hele leven (ongeveer alls wat je niet begreep) door "iets" dat toegang tot je meest intieme ik heeft, is gemanipuleerd, voor je het beseft , zorgt de manipulatie eerst en vooral dat je serieus foute financiele beslissingen neemt, dat je helemaal blut bent, dan denk je "het internet is gehacked" en doet raar aan honderd per uur zodat je niemand meer ernstig neemt , (op dat moment nog maar een stukje van de informatie hebbend )
Je denk dat je doodgaat, pijn angst, gruwelijke dromen en commentaar daarover op de pc , en je gelooft zelf niet wat er gebeurt, zoekt er iets onozels achter, een "grap" bv .....

op een bepaald moment tikte ik in op mijn computer toen mijn mail al verdwenen was; mijn fotos gewist waren, enz enz
de vraag :"is dit een grap ?" en het was cynisch bedoeld ....

Toen stond er klaar en duidelijk ;" we weten dat het niet leuk is het onderwerp van zulks een "grap" te zijn , maar het probleem is , dat het niet mogelijk is deze grap uit te halen met mensen, indien ze het weten"
EN EVEN LATER
" Deze dingen ziet ge dus NIET, die kunnen enorme politieke implicaties hebben"

en nee ik heb mij dat NIET verbeeld ....iik leg dus ook geen verbanden die er niet zijn

een ander voorbeeld : mijn mail die verdwenen was, plots na een week of zo , "floep" en daar stond een samenvatting ervan maar ingeleid door; geniaal ! dit heb jij allemaal geschreven, maar we moeten nog een detail weten " en dat werd gevolgd door een vraag over computers uit wat ik geschreven had, een lange zin , die gramaticaal op te lossen leek , maar na het opzoeken van alle pc termen, (stel u voor hoe verbaasd ne mens moet zijn om die vraag te zitten oplossen ) bleek dat ze niet beantwoordbaar was .......ik dacht alleen maar "dit is iets heel intelligents" en zat daar maar .....DIE VRAAG DIE DE SAMENVATTING VAN MIJN EIGEN MAILS VAN WEKEN DUS WAS HEB IK OOK NOG EENS AFGEDRUKT VOOR ALLE DUIDELIJKHEID

dit was 3 jaar geleden ....intussen ken ik duizenden op dezelfde manier verrast .......

HETZELFDE SYSTEEM HACKT NIET ALLEEN COMPUTERS !
HET DRIJFT MENSEN TOT ZELFMOORD , HET HOUDT MENSEN UIT HUN SLAAP, HET VEROORZAAKT ENORME PIJN AAN MENSEN, AUTOIMUUN STOORNISSEN ALLERHANDE, AUTOONGELUKKEN , EN HET KNIPT EN PLAKT GEHEUGEN IN MENSEN HUN HOOFD = AL DIE HERINNERINGEN !
SINDS DE TACHTIGER JAREN ( ik ben daar zeker van , en ben lang niet de enige die dit heel zeker weet, het aantal mensen akkumuleert wereldwijd snel , momenteel MAAR ZE STAAN NERGENS GEREGISTREERD EN BAZELEN DE GEKSTE THEORIEN , DAS MISCHIEN HET GRUWELIJKST VAN AL OM ZIEN de ene denkt dat het aliens zijn, de ander beschuldigt de CIA , en nog anderen geloven zelfs dat hun buren dit doen .....DE VERSCHILLENDE GROEPEN WETEN OOK VAN ELKAAR NIET AF het komt NIET in de media , dus daarvan hebben ze het niet !
VANDAAR DAT IK ZE CONTACTEER SYSTEMATISCH ...

velen hebben geen benul dat de herwonnen herinneringen die ze krijgen vals zijn en beschuldigen ouders van seksueel misbruik bv , en de helel horde halve gare therapeuten bevestigd dat nog eens daar bovenop ! ook zo degutant ! oF hun regering dat die hier schuldig aan is ! stel u voor ...


EERLIJK ANTWOORDEN NU zoud gij nog steeds zo rationeel zijn en zeggen "och ik kan er toch niets aan doen?" of zoud ge in een diepe verontwaardiging de grootste mensenrechtenschendingen aller tijden willen bekend maken.????


IK BEN GESCHOKT DAT [u]90 PROCENT VAN WIE DIT MEEMAAKT BANG ZWIJGT WEET GE DAT ??? [/u] een tiental mensen die ik van vroeger ken, die hetzelfde meemaakten idem computerboodschappen pijnen bewustzijn verliezen, verlamd zijn en beseffen dat het al hun hele leven bezig is UITGEREKEND DIE lullen maar op los over hogere machten, een evolutie sprong voor de mensheid , of zeggen vlakaf " ik ga mij niet zot laten verklaren , ik zwijg erover, mijn werk , mijn familie enz enz " DIT GEBEURT DUS ECHT
MIJN MOEDER WEET ALS ENIG ARGUMENT "ik zie dit toch niet op tv "
een van de gevolgen zijn de massale ufo waarnemingen, of de klacht tegen "god" in de USA , en al die websites over conspiracy en 11 september ....

VANAVOND BELDE IK NOG MET EEN ONDERZOEKSTER UIT USA DIE ALIEN ONTVOERINGEN ONDERZOCHT GERUIME TIJD EN ZE HEEFT ZICH SPONTAAN GEMELD NA EEN POSTING DAT WE CONTACT ZOCHTEN , ZE WAS DUS GEEN ONTVOERDE GEEN MINDCONTROL SLACHTOFFER GEEN STEMMEN HOORDER ZE HAD GEWOON BORST KANKER SINDS VORIG JAAR EN EEN PAAR VERHALEN DIE HEEL DICHT ZATEN BIJ DE KERN VAN DE ZAAK EN ZE WIST DUS HEEL GOED DAT HET ERMEE TE MAKEN HAD ;;;;

HAAR ENIGE REACTIE WAS DOLBLIJ DAT IEMAND VLAKAF ZEI DAT HET MENSEN RECHTENSCHENDINGEN WAREN I P V TE LULLLEN OVER ALIENS !!! ZE WIST NIKS VAN ONS BESTAAN AF ALS GROEP EN WAS STOMVERBAASD NOTA BENE !!!!
NIEMAND WEET DIT NU EENMAAL WIE BESTUDEERT NU ZONDER REDEN ALIENS , ??? DE WAZIGEN JUIST

TENZIJ ER EEN GOEDE REDEN IS
en die heb ik dus .......
dat was nu eens heel persoonlijk en heel eerlijk , en ik heb ze perfect op een rij , vertel alleen maar iets dat "gelijkt" op het hoop onzin dat het internet momenteel vult ,

HET IS EROM GEDAAN VERMENGD OVER 20 OF 30 JAAR OF LANGER MET ONZIN DIE MEN INTUSSEN GEWOON IS

EN HET IS ZO GOED GEDAAN INDERDAAD DAT GULLE ER ALLEMAAL INTRAPT
KOMT HET BIJ NIEMAND NIET OP DAT IK GEWOON VERTEL WAT ER GEBEURT MAAR IN STILTE ,??? BIJ NIEMAND ????
WAAROM KOM IK MET ZOIETS OP SKEPP????
WAAROM BLIJF IK NIET OP NIBURU ????
WAAROM .????? WAT DENKT GE ???
DRIE KEER RADEN


IK GA HET (of gulle moogt ) HET AAN PROF VERMEERSCH VRAGEN
HIJ MAG DIT PROBLEEM PROBEREN "ontmaskeren " , dat kijkt tenminste iemand ernaar ......echt , ik meen het ....


het zit hem allemaal in PATRONEN IN TIJD
DE WEBSITE VAN KARLA TURNER
http://www.karlaturner.org/
KARLA TURNER HANDELDE VANUIT DEZELDE DIEPE VERONTWAARDIGING DAT IS ALLES EN DENK MAAR DAT IK GEK BEN MAAR KIJK WEL EERST EENS EVEN OP HAAR SITE EN TIK EENS IN GOOGLE IN "electronic harassment" mindcotrol , non consentual human experimentation, directed energy weapons, al dan niet in combinatie met aliens, de hoeveelheid treffers overschrijdt de laatste voetbal uitslagen bij wijze van spreken .....WAAROM ?

Karla Turner A former college instructor who held a doctorate in Old English Studies from the University of North Texas, Turner had authored three books on the abduction phenomenon, *Into the Fringe (1992), *Taken (1994), *Masquerade of Angels (1994). Died of cancer in 1996
Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all: deceitfulness and cruelty. (During encounters, they control our perceptions. They can implant false memories. From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually. They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. )
Turner cited many cases pointing to a psychic technology that enabled the aliens to make us see whatever they wanted us to see. They could create virtual reality scenarios at will, she was certain. The abductees took home from their abduction experiences as memories whatever the aliens wanted them to remember. Even what was revived under hypnosis might only be a screen memory."


VOND VANAVOND NOG BERICHTJES IN GASTEN BOEK ERGENS
Name: Ruth Cleaver From: Texas
E-mail: Contact My "book" name is Anita. I was in Karla's second book about the Alien agenda. I met both Karla and Elton in Austin in July of '94 at the UFO convention. Fine people, both. I became friends with Karla and Jane and several of the other ladies. Betty "Beth" died recently,supposedly from cancer also.
Pamelee died from suicide on Christmas day approximately two years after Karla died. Terribly sad.
Thanks for the website. Karla would have liked it.
Added: October 4, 2005

BESEF DUS HEEL HEEEL GOED DAT ER TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN ZIJJN
OFTEWEL IS DIT WAAR
OFTEWEL BEN IK KNETTER GEK
EEN TUSSEN OPLOSSING IS ER NIET


TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN !!!!!!
NIET 1 , EN NIET BEETJE
TWEE ! TWEE VERSCHILLENDE


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:? Alice in apenland ...
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Berichtdoor kil » 24 okt 2008, 05:54

Dag alice,

Ik moet toegeven, veel van je (lange) posts lees ik niet omdat het nogal chaotisch overkomt. Maar die laatste viel qua lengte wel mee dus deed ik eens een poging.

- Je tikte iets in op je computer...

Ik kan me niet inbeelden dat als er echt mensen zijn die al deze snode plannen uitvoeren, ze dit zomaar even gaan melden via uw pc. Ik zou daar een "print screen" van maken, want hey dat komt niet alle dagen voor. Als het al waar zou zijn, misschien eerst eens denken in de richting van een kennis die met uw voeten wil spelen. Dat zou ook niet de eerste zijn.

- Dat de mensen met hun fantast-ische verhalen toenemen verbaast me niet. De draai die ze er aan geven is namelijk veel spannender dan de realiteit. En je komt ook meer in de picture te staan. Je kan uiteindelijk overal wel iets achter gaan zoeken.

- Die 90 % van zij die dit meemaken, op hoeveel personen komt dat uit? 4van de 5?

- Er valt geen probleem te ontmaskeren. Er is geen complot, geen controle, geen bende die zich bezighoudt met boodschappen typen op een pc, foto's te verwijderen,e-mails samen te vatten (anders is het daar zeker een office joke of hebben ze te veel tijd),... Er zijn alleen mensen met verhalen. Maar het kan inderdaad zijn dat ik er ook gewoon intrap. Of dat ik voor hen werk, dat zou die som geld op mijn rekening deels verklaren...hmmm.

BESEF DUS HEEL HEEEL GOED DAT ER TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN ZIJJN
OFTEWEL IS DIT WAAR
OFTEWEL BEN IK KNETTER GEK
EEN TUSSEN OPLOSSING IS ER NIET
Die is niet nodig. De media brengt verhalen van mysterieuze beesten in het bos, het zoveelste verhaal van bigfoot,...maar het grootste complot ooit met zelfs doden tot gevolg gaan ze links laten liggen? VTM en HLN hadden het al lang van de daken geschreeuwd, maar zelfs zij steken er hun tijd niet in. Of elke grote baas van radio, TV, kranten,... is omgekocht of speelt mee, dat kan ook.

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Berichtdoor alice » 24 okt 2008, 10:01

kil schreef:Dag alice,

Ik moet toegeven, veel van je (lange) posts lees ik niet omdat het nogal chaotisch overkomt. Maar die laatste viel qua lengte wel mee dus deed ik eens een poging.

- Je tikte iets in op je computer...

Ik kan me niet inbeelden dat als er echt mensen zijn die al deze snode plannen uitvoeren, ze dit zomaar even gaan melden via uw pc. Ik zou daar een "print screen" van maken, want hey dat komt niet alle dagen voor. Als het al waar zou zijn, misschien eerst eens denken in de richting van een kennis die met uw voeten wil spelen. Dat zou ook niet de eerste zijn.



- Die 90 % van zij die dit meemaken, op hoeveel personen komt dat uit? 4van de 5?


BESEF DUS HEEL HEEEL GOED DAT ER TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN ZIJJN
OFTEWEL IS DIT WAAR
OFTEWEL BEN IK KNETTER GEK
EEN TUSSEN OPLOSSING IS ER NIET
Die is niet nodig. De media brengt verhalen van mysterieuze beesten in het bos, het zoveelste verhaal van bigfoot,...maar het grootste complot ooit met zelfs doden tot gevolg gaan ze links laten liggen? VTM en HLN hadden het al lang van de daken geschreeuwd, maar zelfs zij steken er hun tijd niet in. Of elke grote baas van radio, TV, kranten,... is omgekocht of speelt mee, dat kan ook.

Groetjes


tis inderdaad vrij duidelijk dat ge mijn posts niet leest , tja lees ze mischien eerst eens , dan weet ge waar ge het over hebt , thanks
Monika
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Berichtdoor Faction Fictory » 24 okt 2008, 10:30

alice schreef:BESEF DUS HEEL HEEEL GOED DAT ER TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN ZIJJN
OFTEWEL IS DIT WAAR
OFTEWEL BEN IK KNETTER GEK
EEN TUSSEN OPLOSSING IS ER NIET



Jawel, die tussenoplossing is er wel, misschien ben je gewoon iets te veel geneigd oorzaken voor fenomenen buiten je zelf te zoeken. Misschien is dit ook een factor die de mensen die dit samen met jou ervaren bindt.
Iedereen heeft die neiging in enige mate en ze is ook de basis voor godsdienstig geloof en conspiracy-denken.

Relax, let it go Monika!

Gr
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Faction Fictory schreef:
alice schreef:BESEF DUS HEEL HEEEL GOED DAT ER TWEE MOGELIJKHEDEN ZIJJN
OFTEWEL IS DIT WAAR
OFTEWEL BEN IK KNETTER GEK
EEN TUSSEN OPLOSSING IS ER NIET



Jawel, die tussenoplossing is er wel, misschien ben je gewoon iets te veel geneigd oorzaken voor fenomenen buiten je zelf te zoeken. Misschien is dit ook een factor die de mensen die dit samen met jou ervaren bindt.
Iedereen heeft die neiging in enige mate en ze is ook de basis voor godsdienstig geloof en conspiracy-denken.

Relax, let it go Monika!

Gr


GULLE WERKT ALLEMAAL OP MIJN ZENUWEN

MIJN HYPOTHESE VANAF 2000 MINDCONTROL EXPLOSIE
EN MIJN DOET HET BIJ MENSEN DIE VAN NIKS WETEN
VOORAL ROND DE 40 EN VROUWEN

BEVESTIGING VAN MIJN HYPOTHESE
MINDCONTROL TI IN ARTIKEL
BESCHRIJVEN HET TYPISCHE FENOMEEN !!!
Mind Games in de Washington Post Januari 2007. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399_pf.html

Both male and female TIs report a variety of "attacks" to their sexual organs. "My testicles became so sore I could barely walk," Girard says of his early experiences. Others, however, report the attacks in the form of sexual stimulation, including one TI who claims he dropped out of the seminary after constant sexual stimulation by directed-energy weapons. Susan Sayler, a TI in San Diego, says many women among the TIs suffer from attacks to their sexual organs but are often embarrassed to talk about it with outsiders."It's sporadic, you just never know when it will happen," she says. "A lot of the women say it's as soon as you lay down in bed -- that's when you would get hit the worst. It happened to me as I was driving, at odd times."
What made her think it was an electronic attack and not just in her head? "There was no sexual attraction to a man when it would happen. That's what was wrong. It did not feel like a muscle spasm or whatever," she says. "It's so . . . electronic."

NIEUW SYNDROOM WERELDWIJD OOK VANAF 2001 BESCHREVEN
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/a ... 0000c.html
Awareness in Japan of PSAS -- which was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in the United States five years ago -- is growing, especially in the blogsphere, where it is being called Iku Iku byo. Hideo Yamanaka, a doctor at the Toranomon Hibiya Clinic in Tokyo says the disease can be debilitating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent ... l_Disorder
Persistent genital arousal disorder (also known as persistent sexual arousal syndrome or PSAS)It was first documented by Dr. Sandra Leiblum in 2001, only recently characterized as a distinct syndrome in medical literature.

DE VRAGENLIJST VAN BELGIE VERTROKKEN 105 RESPONS
Sudden unexpected sexual arousal: 64.21%
Genital Manipulation: 62.11%


DE SCHINESE VRAGENLIJST MET 200 RESPONDENTEN PAS GEKREGEN
Sudden unexpected" Sexual Arousal 98 53.26%
Genital manipulation 104 56.52%


ALS IK ERGENS ZEKER VAN BEN BEN IK ER ZEKER VAN !


VERDER NOG WA "details"
--
New York Times. Midlife Suicide Rises, Puzzling Researchers By PATRICIA COHEN February 19, 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/19suicide.html
for officials, it is a surprising and baffling public health mystery What happened in 1999 that caused the suicide rate to suddenly rise primarily for those in midlife? For health experts, it is like discovering the wreckage of a plane crash without finding the black box that recorded flight data just before the aircraft went down.

the suicide rate among 45-to-54-year-olds
increased nearly 20 percent from 1999 to 2004
among women in this age group,
the suicide rate is up an alarming 31% since 1999

decreased among people 65 and older.

THE 40_45 AGE = ACTIVE POPULATION SAME AS MINDCONTROL VICITMS
This has economical consequences

Ritual-abuse survivors skew slightly older with an average age of 48 (47.7).
The UFO abductees were slightly younger with an average age of 44 (43.69)




"Turner cited many cases pointing to a psychic technology Two traits, characterized alien behaviour above all:
deceitfulness and cruelty.
(During encounters, they control our perceptions.
They can implant false memories. From childhood,
they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually.
They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees. )

http://www.karlaturner.org/

Elaine Showalter an American writer on cultural and social issues ,
included the recovered memories syndrom in other unexplained modern
illnesses Hysterical Epidemics and Modern Media (1997) has
angered some in the health profession and many who believe that they
suffer from these illnesses.
In her book, Showalter clusters six seemingly unrelated contemporary
maladies: chronic fatigue syndrome, Gulf War syndrome, recovered memories of sexual abuse, multiple personality disorder, Satanic ritual abuse, and alien abduction.
We live with the evidence daily, she says. In the Midwest, a nurse with chronic fatigue syndrome, her professional and family life in tatters, commits suicide. At Harvard University, Pulitzer Prize-winning professor John Mack supports the claims of thousands of ordinary people that little gray aliens are visiting the United States and performing unwanted sexual experiments on its chaste citizens.

http://www.raven1.net/hradexco.htm#VALWOLF
Valerie "What was startlingly was that therapists reported many
of these clients were also physically ill with auto-immune problems,
thyroid problems, multiple sclerosis, and other muscle and
connective tissue diseases as well as mysterious ailments for
which a diagnosis cannot be found.While somatization disorder is
commonly found in these clients, many of the clients who have been
involved in the human experimentation with the government have
multiple medically-documented physical ailments, and I was really
shocked today to hear one of the speakers talk about the cysts and
the teeth breaking off, because I have a client that that's happening to.
Many people are afraid to tell their doctors
their histories as mind-control subjects for fear of being considered to be crazy.


CFS is thought to have an incidence of 4 adults per 1,000 in the United States.[7] For unknown reasons, CFS occurs more often in women than men, and in people in their 40s and 50s.

1980: 1.85%
1980: 0%
1981: 0 0%
1982: 0.93%
1983: 0%
1984: 0%
1985: 0.93%
1986: 1.85%
1987: 0%
1988: 0%
1989: 0%
1990: O.93%
1991: 0.93%
1992: 0.93%
1993: 1.85%
1994: 1.85%
1995: 0.93%
1996: 4.63%
1997: 2.78%
1998: 4.63%
1999: 0.93%
2000: 2.78%
2001: 8.33%
2002: 11.11%
2003: 3.7%
2004: 12.96%
2005: 11.11%
2006: 11.11%
2007: 7.41%
2008: 5.56%
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Berichtdoor Timmber » 24 okt 2008, 13:54

Je valt in herhaling en stop met die onzin te spammen. Het slaat nergens op en is helemaal geen bewijs van wat dan ook. Zoek een echte hobby.
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Berichtdoor Faction Fictory » 24 okt 2008, 14:04

Monika,
dat PSAS vanf 2001 beschreven is betekend niet dat het er voor niet bestond, ik kan me best voorstellen dat vrouwen daar niet mee te koop liepen en zich te veel schaamden om het iemand te vertellen.

Gr
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Faction Fictory schreef:Monika,
dat PSAS vanf 2001 beschreven is betekend niet dat het er voor niet bestond, ik kan me best voorstellen dat vrouwen daar niet mee te koop liepen en zich te veel schaamden om het iemand te vertellen.

Gr


das te simpel want dat kunt ge ook zeggen van alien ontvoerden bv en van satanisch misbruikten maar uiteindelijk hoe ge het ook draaid of keert, meldingen beginnen te komen, als ze ervoor niet waren, nooit waren zelfs , als iets "nieuw is " , dat is zo voor de herwonnen herineringen, en voor de aliens enz ...

veel interresanter is de vraag waarom ALL die ervaringen over seks en voortplanting gaan, ...(en de satanrituelen en de aliens stammen echt wel uit de jaren 80 samen met de disociatieve toestand ..)
zo is het duidelijk ...

California based therapist Gwen Dean noted forty-four parallels between alien abduction and satanic ritual abuse (SRA). Both emerged as widespread phenomena in the late 1970s and early 1980s, both often use hypnosis to recover lost or suppressed memory. Furthermore, the scenarios and narratives offered by abductees and SRA victims feature many similar elements: both are typically said to begin when the experiencer is in their youth; both are said to involve entire families and to occur generationally; the alien examination table is similar to the satanic altar; both phenomena focus on genitals, rape, sexuality and breeding; witnesses often report that the events happen when they are in altered states of consciousness; both phenomena feature episodes of "missing time" when the events are said to occur, but of which the victim has no conscious memory. (Bryan, 138-139)

en natuurlijk de vraag waarom als die extreme gezondheidsproblemen...

er is toch wel duidelijk een onverklaarbare overlapping ...niet .?

The opinions of the true believers are hard to swallow; and the opinions of the die-hard skeptics are not based on reality either. There is some middle ground ... It's clear that this is some sort of powerful subjective experience. But I do not know what the objective reality is. It's as if the evidence leads us in both directions." (Bryan, 162) Similarly, the late Harvard psychiatrist John Mack concluded, "The furthest you can go at this point is to say there's an authentic mystery here. And that is, I think, as far as anyone ought to go." (emphasis as in original) (Bryan, 269)

Dit is ZONDER TWIJFEL JUIST :?:
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Berichtdoor alice » 24 okt 2008, 18:47

Faction Fictory schreef:Monika,
dat PSAS vanf 2001 beschreven is betekend niet dat het er voor niet bestond, ik kan me best voorstellen dat vrouwen daar niet mee te koop liepen en zich te veel schaamden om het iemand te vertellen.

Gr



Dus het zou volgens u toeval zijn dat in 2000 er een explosie targeted individuals is die dit rapporteren de eerste keer met zoveel ? en tegelijk over precies hetzelfde in 2001 wereldwijd eveneens onafhankelijke meldingen binnen lopen


Het aantal chonisch vermoeiden bij aliens is EXTREEM normaal is het
1 op 250 en alien ontvoerden hebben het meer dan de helft van hen , waarom zou dat zijn? het is wel heeeeeel toevallig ....nee?
Die hebben ook last van sexuele en genitale manipulatie ...tja , hoe toevalig kan toevallig zijn ?
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Berichtdoor alice » 24 okt 2008, 18:49

Timmber schreef:Je valt in herhaling en stop met die onzin te spammen. Het slaat nergens op en is helemaal geen bewijs van wat dan ook. Zoek een echte hobby.

vanwaar komt dat ineens in de jaren tachtig ?
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Berichtdoor Henriette » 24 okt 2008, 20:32

Er is vast medicatie tegen...
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